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Do sites like this one affect people?
« on: July 27, 2007, 10:48:40 AM »
This is a new item from the BBC website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6919145.stm

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"One story, Steve's Next Victim, has chilling similarities to the attack you carried out on Carley Furness and you may well have used it as a blueprint for that attack."

The jury heard that Anscombe spent hours downloading images and stories from the internet about sex attacks on young girls.



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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2007, 02:03:48 PM »
The common-sense answer, the truth in fact, is that the problem is not with sites like this, but with the people who are that obsessive. A sick mind will attach to anything.

I'd like an explanation for the spike in serial killings in the 60's,70's and 80's when there were no rape fantasy sites. And the decline in same since the mid-nineties. If snuff and rape sites are so influential shouldn't the streets be running with blood just from the influence of Dolcett alone?

Bah! You can't expect people (hysterics and the politicians who profit from same) to understand that which it's in their best interest to not understand. Without a proper scapegoat these people might have to accept responsibility for the sick thoughts in their own skulls and we couldn't have that, could we?

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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2007, 04:24:38 PM »
Let's be honest, men who are going to rape will rape regardless of whether fantasy sights are available or not.  They are depraved, evil people who will carry out these type of attacks to satisfy their own sick desires without any help from those of us who know the difference between fantasy and reality.  After all, rape has been around longer than the internet.

What pisses me off is that he was sentenced to "life in prison" but he only has to serve a maximum of SEVEN YEARS before being eligible for parole!  Sorry, people, but in my humble opinion life should MEAN life, as in until the maggot whithers up and dies from old age!
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2007, 07:43:34 PM »
Also, the ironic thing with examples like this is that people want to blame media (thus demand for it's ban) whilst at the same time deny the perp the ability to pass on (even partial) culpability onto said media they proclaim was the influence for the crime - Having their cake and eating it?

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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2007, 11:30:01 AM »
I agree with Luckytom, but would also like to add:

I remember a tragedy that received a lot of press a very long time ago.  A boy watching the three stooges emulated their behavior, killing his younger sister.  He was somewhere between the age of 5-6, his sister was 3 or 4. He hit her on the head with a frying pan, laughing.  This child clearly did not know he was doing wrong.  Just copying what he had seen on TV.

Did this cause the outlawing of the Three Stooges?  Nope.  And it was clearly marketed towards children, who are far more likely to be influnced by the media.

Violent Porn is marketed to adults, that have a wealth of expereince behind them, and know the difference between right and wrong.

It makes much more sense to protect children from violent images than to worry about adults.
So much oppression in our culture is based on shame about sex: the oppression of women, of cultural minorities, oppression in the name of the (presumably asexual) family, oppression of sexual minorities. We are all oppressed. We have all been taught, one way or another, that our desires, our bodies, our sexualities, are shameful. What better way to defeat oppression than to get together in communities and celebrate the wonders of sex?
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 07:48:58 AM »
Excellent points, Emily.  Couldn't agree more.
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2007, 10:27:52 AM »
It makes much more sense to protect children from violent images than to worry about adults.

So can I blame Tom and Jerry for all my violent thoughts?  ;)
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 11:42:16 AM »
I think it's better by far to protect our society from crappy parents (the kinds who can't be bothered to teach their children the difference between reality and fantasy) and their  ignorantly violent offspring than punish the 99,999,999,999/100,000,000,000 of us who have functional discernment skills by implementing censorship on any level.

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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 04:36:17 PM »
Nathan,

I agree with you about censorship, but I also think a certain amount of common sense must be used.  For example, I LOVE "The Shield" (LONG LIVE VIC MACKEY!!!) but I will be the first to admit it should NOT be aired at three in the afternoon.  Far too graphic for that time slot.

That being said, the "concerned parents" who have tried to get the show cancelled because they don't want thier rugrats exposed to "filth" PISS ME OFF!!!  The show is aired at 10 PM, for god sake!  In my humble opinion, if thier kids are old enough to be out of bed and unsupervised at that time of night, then they're old enough to see the show.  If thier kids are NOT old enough to be out of bed and unsupervised at that time of night, then WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PARENTS??? Why aren't they keeping an eye on thier kids to insure the little rodents aren't watching inappropriate shows?  Bullshit!  They have no right to tell ME I can't watch a great adult drama just because THEY'RE too lame and lazy to keep tabs on their kids.
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 08:27:34 PM »
Yup, and even if the parents work late or whatever - TV's come with child proof channel options now.
So much oppression in our culture is based on shame about sex: the oppression of women, of cultural minorities, oppression in the name of the (presumably asexual) family, oppression of sexual minorities. We are all oppressed. We have all been taught, one way or another, that our desires, our bodies, our sexualities, are shameful. What better way to defeat oppression than to get together in communities and celebrate the wonders of sex?
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2007, 07:13:30 PM »
Hey, Nate, I just went down to the bar, saw a girl sitting on the bench out front smoking (smoking’s illegal in bars here), and smacked the fuck out of her.
THEN, I tied her up, tossed her in the trunk of my car, and did as Lucky Tom suggests and sodomized her until I bled.

It’s a joke defense. “Internet porn” or no, he would have done something sooner or latter.
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2007, 11:07:30 PM »
“Internet porn” or no, he would have done something sooner or latter.
Yep, exactly. If you take away one alleged trigger (say, for instance, internet porn) they'll simply be triggered by something else.

You can't make the world psycho-proof, although you can make a mint by keeping your name in the papers by constantly calling for whatever (porn, rock music, video games) to be banned for the public good (Hell, that's worked well enough for Jack Thomspon), it ain't gonna be too long until some other publicity whore will realise they can grab headlines and make a career (and $$$) out of decrying "extreme"  porn.

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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2007, 02:31:47 AM »
One of Ted Bundys defenses was that exposure to violent rape porn had driven him to commit his crimes. Further study though showed that such types of pornography were not easily accessible during that time and he would have had to have sought it out very determinedly. Several years back, during the furor over violent video games, two amish boys (with no access to television, or video games) went on a rampage of robbery and murder. If you subscribe to the bible, at the beginning of time one out of 4 people were murderers. What kind of tv shows do you think cain was watching? According to the various claims, I should be the most prolific mass murderer, serial rapist ever. I watched all the old style 'violent' cartoons. I played dungeons and dragons. Listened to heavy metal music. Played all the 'violent' video games like GTA. And watched lots of violent, rough and rape porn. Amazingly my only crimes have been a dui and some minor shoplifting as a child that I was never caught for.
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2007, 12:31:47 AM »
Interesting that you brought up the Bible PRED.  Now that's one book with murder, mayhem and rape!  I guess we should have baned it to protect those Amish boys.  I am sure it is what caused them to go on a rampage!
So much oppression in our culture is based on shame about sex: the oppression of women, of cultural minorities, oppression in the name of the (presumably asexual) family, oppression of sexual minorities. We are all oppressed. We have all been taught, one way or another, that our desires, our bodies, our sexualities, are shameful. What better way to defeat oppression than to get together in communities and celebrate the wonders of sex?
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Re: Do sites like this one affect people?
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2007, 04:33:36 AM »
Remember, guns don’t kill people, books do! So burn them all now.
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Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one  left to speak up for me.

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