[Yukito]

Everyone, please have a look at this screenshot: https://gab.com/AuronMacIntyre/posts/108914554508829100
And now tell me: Can minors really consent? As far as I know, no.
Discussion topic: https://twitter.com/KimIversenShow/status/1564708201118896129
PS: Feel free to move to the Detention Hall if necessary. Just PM me if moved.

I believe and feel that minors do not have the ability to consent on some issues, like their own health and safety or medically turning into another gender.  Parents only concern should be for the health and safety of the children and not pressure them, or being okay with a sex change.  Minors are very easy to convince of half truths or even lies and it doesn't always include the ideals of the transgender community.  Once they are no longer considered as a "legal" minor, then if they can choose what they want to do.

Just my thoughts on this controversial subject.

[Yukito]

I believe and feel that minors do not have the ability to consent on some issues, like their own health and safety or medically turning into another gender.  Parents only concern should be for the health and safety of the children and not pressure them, or being okay with a sex change.  Minors are very easy to convince of half truths or even lies and it doesn't always include the ideals of the transgender community.  Once they are no longer considered as a "legal" minor, then if they can choose what they want to do.

Just my thoughts on this controversial subject.

I believe that they can't consent, as the statutory rape law says. What I've been seeing is always it happening in schools, like teachers encouraging kids to hide things from their parents and such.

This surgeon gets paid each time he operates, which gives him a clear incentive to do so. In Canada and any other developed country, there's a universal health system that takes these economical incentives away. This is just another example of what happens when you leave public health in the hands of private interests.

Sex change surgery is widely restricted to 18+ in Canada. It alters the body forever.

California has a project of opening up sex change surgeries to minors across the entire country...
https://calmatters.org/politics/california-legislature/2022/08/california-transgender-health-care-refuge/

The irony here is that California also has the sternest law across all states when it comes to legal age for sexual consent -- 18 years old with NO close-in-age exception! Thus, minors would be allowed to go ahead and surgically change genders, but they are NOT legally allowed to have consensual sex. This doesn't make sense. It should be the other way around; really!

Sounds like a bunch of surgeons are looking to make a huge amount of money out of this. Top Surgery costs about $10,000, and male-to-female transition surgery is around $30,000. They want to open the doors for all kids across America and make California a paradise for trans surgeons.

The worst criminals aren't the ones behind bars.

In My opinion, after 30 years of dealing with the consequences of most emotionally charged decisions, I've found that some whom are Legally considered as Adults shouldn't be allowed the luxury of making these types of decisions.

Most minors are not able to weigh the consequence of their decisions. Most are ruled by their emotions. What feels good right now may not be so good for them later.

As with Sexual and Legaally Binding decisions, the minor is not given the Right to make these types of decisions.........


Tony V.                             

[Skirtflipper]

The answer is "it depends".

Whether we're talking changing one's biological sex, or having sex, the age at which society grants adulthood is completely arbitrary. There's nothing biological that changes once someone reaches their 18th birthday (or 21st or 16th). We act like there's a difference between an 18 year old and a 17 year old, but there isn't. They're no more or less capable of making decisions on their 18th birthday than they were the day before.

There's only 2 objective places you could put that line, which would be either once the person reaches puberty, or at age 25(ish) once the person reaches full intellectual maturity.

As soon as one establishes that adulthood happening at age 18 is arbitrary, the question "can minors consent" takes a different meaning. Because a "minor" is just a person under the legal age of adulthood, which means nothing except that a government regulates them differently once they cross that threshold. The capability for consent doesn't correlate to "adult" status vs. "minor" status.

What actually makes someone capable of consent is their own personal physical, sexual, and mental development, which could be fully formed by age 13, or it might not be developed even by age 25. The laws regulating adulthood function more as a pragmatic attempt to protect young people, since the majority of young people are not physically or mentally capable of understanding what goes into consent. In general, younger people probably can't consent, so the law attempts to help them out, but you still have to differentiate between personal knowledge of self, which actually defines capability for consent, as opposed to the legal age of adulthood.

[Badman]

Everyone matures differently but up until about twenty or so the brain is still developing. One of the last things to develop is self-regulation in the presence of peers and risk seeking.
A bit like speed limits, age limits for consent are somewhat arbitary but on balance (for the benefit of the majority) a functioning society needs rules that the majority understand and abide by with punishments for transgression. When a case arises the professionals have to treat each case on the facts.
After all if the age of consent to sex was lowered to say 14 (no I'm not advocating just for arguments sake) then why can't they drink, drive, vote or enlist in the arm forces and serve on a jury at the same age?

One thing I do find abhorent is how female teachers fucking male students is treated differently to male teachers fucking female students. There ought to be equality there too. 

17 should be the Universal Age Of Consent.

[debbie20]

Not withstanding the laws governing age of consent which differ from state to state, country to country, my personal belief is age 16. The age gap of 5 years is appropriate between two individuals.

[Between Angela's Legs]

After all if the age of consent to sex was lowered to say 14 (no I'm not advocating just for arguments sake) then why can't they drink, drive, vote or enlist in the arm forces and serve on a jury at the same age?

I would argue that attitudes towards sex for young people are much less enlightened than for any of the other things you've mentioned. Immaturity--and by this I mean that the adults making the laws often have immature attitudes when it comes to sex--seems to be the order of the day when it comes to sex to a far greater degree than anything else.

Most of the other things you've mentioned can be done at an earlier age with adult supervision so as to ensure that the kids don't go too far astray--which makes sense.

At least in some jurisdictions (Ontario, Canada is one example) an underage young person can drink if in the presence of and served by an adult parent or guardian.

Driving is generally permitted with an adult driving instructor--or sometimes any adult--in the car before one is allowed to do it solo or only with other teens in the car.

If one enlists in the military one will generally need to answer to officers who are older and more experienced--the military typically doesn't just give a bunch of 17 year olds guns and tell them to shoot the enemy.

Same with serving on a jury--one is under the supervision of a judge who is usually older and more experienced.

But with sex it is the exact opposite--young people are generally expected to learn about it only from other equally inexperienced young people. An adult in a supervisory role having sex with a young person is often considered to have committed an especially serious sex crime. I understand the reasons for this, but at the same time it needs to be noted that the introduction of young people to sex is therefore often without adult mentors, and I believe this is reflected in many people have lifelong immature attitudes towards sex (and then they go on to make laws about sex from that same immature posture, and the cycle repeats).

[EnabranTain]

There's a lot of fear mongering around the topic of transgender people and especially minors who feel they may be transgender.

First off - Sex reassignment surgeries are not performed on minors.
That's just not a thing. There are no legitimate, serious organizations or groups advocating for this to be done.

Some people seem to think that minors simply have a passing whim and then are whisked away to have their gender swapped at the drop of hat. This is not at all how it works.

Please, understand that any proceedue or medical action taken is done so only after thorough thought, education, and evaluation. And when discussing minors, the only thing medically done might be to use puberty blockers, which all studies have shown to be harmless. Normal puberty resumes as soon as the drugs are no longer taken. This gives time for a non-rushed, non-whimsical, and mature choice to be made.

At the end of the day, everyone involved directly in that child's life, from the parents to the doctors and couselors, are interested in what's best for the chilld. The only ones who seem to NOT have the child's wellbeing at heart are the politicians using them as a wedge issue to whip up outrage and convert that into votes.

[littlebluebird]

I believe and feel that minors do not have the ability to consent on some issues, like their own health and safety or medically turning into another gender.  Parents only concern should be for the health and safety of the children and not pressure them, or being okay with a sex change. Minors are very easy to convince of half truths or even lies and it doesn't always include the ideals of the transgender community.  Once they are no longer considered as a "legal" minor, then if they can choose what they want to do.

Well, I guess it's a good thing that children aren't having elective sexual reassignment surgeries then. Minors are primarily only allowed to socially transition, including name/pronoun changes, wearing what makes them feel comfortable and the use of puberty blockers which are 100% reversible by simply no longer taking them. No minor is just given an elective surgery on a whim, it doesn't happen. Sexual reassignment surgeries are for adults, and still primarily only given to individuals who have spent at least a year or two living as a trans person and who have had ongoing discussions with professionals.

You're afraid of a ghost - an issue that simply doesn't exist.