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Offline Maxback

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Re: Realism Vs Fantasy
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2023, 05:33:17 AM »
Though I agree balance is needed. The most important thing is the quality of the writing. You can have an amazing plot with interesting characters. But if you don't give your writing the love and attention needed then you're simply going to end up with poorly written story.  It's important to draft and draft again. Don't rush.

If you do this then you can write whatever type of story you want. A good story is a good story.
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Re: Realism Vs Fantasy
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2023, 03:39:45 AM »
This is from a real-life case. I touch it with great care, but it does indicate that gang-rapes occuring in the aftermath of an armed ambush are usually high-adrenaline events that result in a series of intense and short rapes.

This was a true attack where a 32-year-old woman was raped by nine men in front of her husband and their guide. Each man was inside her for two minutes in average.

"Her clothes were torn off, her hands were bound and her blonde hair was chopped off with bush knives. She was then raped one by one by the gang for a terrifying 20 minutes."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312416/Papua-New-Guinea-gang-rape-U-S-academic-32-attacked-armed-men-hacked-hair-bush-knife-tied-husband-naked-tree.html

It's a bit morbid to delve into real-life stories like this, but if you are to write a rape fantasy that has a real-life feel, as some readers prefer, then it's an eye-opening information. Real-life gang-rapes are nothing like the gangbangs you see in porn.

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Re: Realism Vs Fantasy
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2023, 01:27:55 PM »
Balance is very important. I give a lot of thought to these matters. It can make or break a story.

I think some fantasy licence is allowed, since my female readers are mostly driven by the pleasure of picturing themselves as being utterly surrounded, overwhelmed and abused by a bunch of horny men. Very often, my victims experience some measure of forced pleasure, even orgasms. It is in fact a requirement on forums such as Literotica. I'm not the only writer doing this. GaggedKitty usually has her victims experiencing some form of forced pleasure too, and she has posted a lot on Literotica.

Some readers are after what they think is accurate realism and they will dislike any departure from their definition of realism. They don't think any rape victim should experience pleasure at any point. The real picture is a lot greyer. Rape victims don't react all the same. This is why I love writing a story with several different women...

Some will scream and try to fight off the attackers, others will freeze in terror, others will cooperate to minimize harm (in my Rhineland story, I have one of the raped daughters cooperating in such a way and asking her attackers to be gentle), others will be enraged and call their attackers all sorts of foul names, etc.

Some won't experience any pleasure at all, but many do experience some degree of forced pleasure at some point. This is well documented. I've read some accounts and learned some interesting things that greatly surprised me. Forced orgasms are a taboo subject because they can be misunderstood and contribute to perpetuating the myth of "she actually liked it". A woman hates being raped, but her body may react and produce pleasure sensations against her will.

Something also needs to be say about anal rape and realism. Since many of my stories are set in Africa, I have read about the stats of different sexual acts. I have found that 98% of all rapes in Africa are purely vaginal. Anal sex and forced fellatio account for a very low percentage; it has nothing to do with porn. I wrote my Congo story while taking this into account. I gave myself a fantasy licence and included more forced fellatio because this very powerfully humiliates the white women.


In some of my past stories, I have used too many men in too short a time on a single woman, and too many rapes over two or three days.

I now give a lot more thought to what happens and how many times the women are "used/overused". Having a noble woman whored by a great many men of low status is in itself an extreme form of humiliation, but there are other things men can do to debase her while making her "last" longer. At any rate, having no more than four or five men on one girl is plenty! Lol.

Gang rapists who want the most enjoyment will come to realize that their "party" is over if they annihilate all the girls from the get-go. They are themselves limited as to how many times they can cum; most of the time, I allow something like two or three cums per man over a six- or eight-hour timespan. In any military context, the first two cummings can be close in time due to the incredibly intense post-battle rush.

I have read some accounts on what the Simba rebels did to the white women when Stanleyville, Congo, fell to them in 1964. The historians mostly hushed up the rapes, but they did write about how the rebels humiliated white women in stripping them naked and forcing them to dance around! Now, it's pretty obvious that such troops will indeed rape the women if they can strip them naked! They won't just watch them dance! Lol.

In fact, I listened to an interview with the then mayor of Stanleyville. He said that the rebels herded the white populace in a large hotel, then they separated the men from the women and it was (his own words) "a night of horror". It is very obvious that the white women were repeatedly raped over that night by a great many Simba soldiers. Most importantly, they didn't do this in front of the men, unlike what you'll see in stories here or in porn.

If I write realistically and depict the rapes in Stanleyville, chances are good that I'll get criticized for "missing a good opportunity" by not having the wives and daughters raped in front of the husbands and fathers. Here again, I will usually take a fantasy licence and by all means, I'll have some of the white men present. I'll even have a man allowed to partake and he'll gleefully rape his neighbour's daughter while the Simbas watch and laugh --- but this is pure fantasy; black rebels never allowed white men to partake like this.

Age of attackers is also a factor. A gang of teenagers will usually "reload" faster than the typical male.

In general, I don't see any problem with allowing perhaps one "extra" cum per man, and a few "extra" fucks per woman, over what would be truly realistic. This being said, I'm getting a lot more careful these days about not going over the top!


I recall reading in one of Mike Hoare's books, he was a mercenary in Africa including the Congo where he was part of the relief force that rescued some of the people in Stanleyville, about a "sergeant major" in a force that was raping women on the other side. Said force was using child soldiers and the "sergeant major" was all of 12. This could of course be like the Iraqi soldiers taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators during their invasion of Kuwait to kill them, that is it never happened and was purely propaganda. On the other hand people do use child soldiers, especially in Africa and while I was a virgin for some years after 12 I was certainly capable of getting it up. How many of us were? That level of realism in a story is probably illegal in a lot of places. On the flip side, the idea that girls of 10, 11 and 12 years old won't be included when societal norms are already being violated in such widespread amounts and so extremely is unrealistic as well but again probably illegal to write in most places.

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Re: Realism Vs Fantasy
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2023, 10:55:18 PM »
I have different ways to convey a sense of realism without breaking the site's rules.

When depicting the overall picture of a town getting sacked or a neighbourhood getting thrashed by an out-of-control mob going from door to door, I will write something like "the men were beaten up and tied up, then they were forced to watch as their wives and daughters were raped repeatedly". I was never asked to change anything in any chapter for doing this. What they really don't want is me being too specific with a girl's age.

If I write "the teen daughter screamed her life out" without any mention of age, then I'm fine. I got used to putting a disclaimer that I also use on Literotica. It simply says that in my story, "teenage" refers to characters who are 18-19 years old. Using "teenage girl" in the story doesn't break much in the sense of a realistic feel while it spares the sensitivity of people who think underage sex is evil and that no one should ever read anything depicting it. (They also pick on Stephen King for his underage gangbang in IT.)

I do what I can living with these rules. I personally can't stand censorship and I think Lois feels the same way. If I really want to write unrestrained, then I do it elsewhere where it's allowed.
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Re: Realism Vs Fantasy
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2023, 07:51:55 PM »
I don't care for censorship myself. Especially for stuff like that. Fiction about war and its horror should be as realistic as possible even if turns the stomach.

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Re: Realism Vs Fantasy
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2023, 08:37:40 PM »
I don't care for censorship myself. Especially for stuff like that. Fiction about war and its horror should be as realistic as possible even if turns the stomach.

Quebec author Yvan Godbout was arrested at his home in 2019 over written fiction where sexual abuse of a fictive child, yes a fictive child girl was involved. The judge acquitted Godbout and invalidated a sub-paragraph in Canada's Criminal Code stating it unduly restrained free speech. In an interview, Godbout said he wrote fiction horror and felt it was important to depict human horror as it is. I'm really with him when he talks about depicting horrors that many people don't want to see or talk about, and sometimes, they don't even want others to hear or read about them.