[JustJess_33]

So just thinking,  whats more important to a story realism or fantasy.

It’s hard to capture erotica in a realistic tale without some fantasy license and Porn like sex scenes.
Does realism in stories take away the joy of the fantasy?
Do porn like fantasy scenes otherwise spoil a realistic Rape premise?

Giving a classic Rape fantasy idea.

Two young women break down outside a rough bar, and whilst seeking aid run into a violent biker gang and they get gang raped and left at the side of the road.

Realistic approach. The women use their phones to call for help, while help is on its way. They get attacked one of the bikers sees them across the road and alerts the others. The Rapes are quick raw and brutal and the women are left for dead in a heap on the road while the police come across them naked bound and bloody as at first they resisted the bikers and paid the price.

Fantasy approach. The women use the bar to get help, then and there they are surrounded forced into a strip and lesbian show for the bikers who then take turns on the women who end up enjoying it more than even the bikers did. There is no violence and every orifice is violated much to the women’s horror which turns to reluctant pleasure.

So just a discussion what people prefer.

Jess xx

[To-Get-Her]

For me, it's more the balancing of fantasy to reality. Multiple men over a short time would have a single female checke out mentally since it's so unbelievable. Things like that loses my interest to continue to read the story or any future story by the writer since they rarely change  what they think works!

Balance is very important. I give a lot of thought to these matters. It can make or break a story.

I think some fantasy licence is allowed, since my female readers are mostly driven by the pleasure of picturing themselves as being utterly surrounded, overwhelmed and abused by a bunch of horny men. Very often, my victims experience some measure of forced pleasure, even orgasms. It is in fact a requirement on forums such as Literotica. I'm not the only writer doing this. GaggedKitty usually has her victims experiencing some form of forced pleasure too, and she has posted a lot on Literotica.

Some readers are after what they think is accurate realism and they will dislike any departure from their definition of realism. They don't think any rape victim should experience pleasure at any point. The real picture is a lot greyer. Rape victims don't react all the same. This is why I love writing a story with several different women...

Some will scream and try to fight off the attackers, others will freeze in terror, others will cooperate to minimize harm (in my Rhineland story, I have one of the raped daughters cooperating in such a way and asking her attackers to be gentle), others will be enraged and call their attackers all sorts of foul names, etc.

Some won't experience any pleasure at all, but many do experience some degree of forced pleasure at some point. This is well documented. I've read some accounts and learned some interesting things that greatly surprised me. Forced orgasms are a taboo subject because they can be misunderstood and contribute to perpetuating the myth of "she actually liked it". A woman hates being raped, but her body may react and produce pleasure sensations against her will.

Something also needs to be say about anal rape and realism. Since many of my stories are set in Africa, I have read about the stats of different sexual acts. I have found that 98% of all rapes in Africa are purely vaginal. Anal sex and forced fellatio account for a very low percentage; it has nothing to do with porn. I wrote my Congo story while taking this into account. I gave myself a fantasy licence and included more forced fellatio because this very powerfully humiliates the white women.


In some of my past stories, I have used too many men in too short a time on a single woman, and too many rapes over two or three days.

I now give a lot more thought to what happens and how many times the women are "used/overused". Having a noble woman whored by a great many men of low status is in itself an extreme form of humiliation, but there are other things men can do to debase her while making her "last" longer. At any rate, having no more than four or five men on one girl is plenty! Lol.

Gang rapists who want the most enjoyment will come to realize that their "party" is over if they annihilate all the girls from the get-go. They are themselves limited as to how many times they can cum; most of the time, I allow something like two or three cums per man over a six- or eight-hour timespan. In any military context, the first two cummings can be close in time due to the incredibly intense post-battle rush.

I have read some accounts on what the Simba rebels did to the white women when Stanleyville, Congo, fell to them in 1964. The historians mostly hushed up the rapes, but they did write about how the rebels humiliated white women in stripping them naked and forcing them to dance around! Now, it's pretty obvious that such troops will indeed rape the women if they can strip them naked! They won't just watch them dance! Lol.

In fact, I listened to an interview with the then mayor of Stanleyville. He said that the rebels herded the white populace in a large hotel, then they separated the men from the women and it was (his own words) "a night of horror". It is very obvious that the white women were repeatedly raped over that night by a great many Simba soldiers. Most importantly, they didn't do this in front of the men, unlike what you'll see in stories here or in porn.

If I write realistically and depict the rapes in Stanleyville, chances are good that I'll get criticized for "missing a good opportunity" by not having the wives and daughters raped in front of the husbands and fathers. Here again, I will usually take a fantasy licence and by all means, I'll have some of the white men present. I'll even have a man allowed to partake and he'll gleefully rape his neighbour's daughter while the Simbas watch and laugh --- but this is pure fantasy; black rebels never allowed white men to partake like this.

Age of attackers is also a factor. A gang of teenagers will usually "reload" faster than the typical male.

In general, I don't see any problem with allowing perhaps one "extra" cum per man, and a few "extra" fucks per woman, over what would be truly realistic. This being said, I'm getting a lot more careful these days about not going over the top!

[SoftGameHunter]

I try to go with the story that needs telling. I know that is not a very useful answer to the question as posed, and I also tend to mix it up a fair bit. Even so, I'm well aware that most of my story go into what I respond to as fantastical elements. There's often a touch of absurdity in some aspect of what I write. It could be the scenario itself, or some aspect of one or more characters' responses to it. That's how my brain works or fails to work as the case may be. On the other hand, I almost always repeat some theme and tropes. My girls break down emotionally and almost wallow in their unhappiness, for example. They do not, oddly enough, get mad very often. It's a realistic approach each individual time, because what they're suffering is terrible, but in meta terms, very fantastic because somehow all these girls that have no physical reality at all still manage to cry in just the right way to get my rocks off. So, three cheers to them - their sacrifice was not for naught.

[LtBroccoli]

It depends on the story I'm trying to tell.  I try to keep things real, but reality is pretty fucked up.  On the smut side of things, I'll toe the line between the two, but I at least try to make the fantasy more realistic.  For example, one of the tropes I use is the guy who can cum and cum again.  It all depends on age and health and experience, but in my stories he usually gets a first shot and quick recovery.  Why?  When things are really erotic for guys, they can recover their stamina faster but will hit a wall before too long.  Depending on the character they get maybe 2 shots before they need a cooldown.

It's why a lot of my stories with multiple victims usually have a lesbian scene after the first round or two of attacks, to give the guys a show and humiliate the women even further.  If it's just one victim, that's where the forced orgasm scene comes in.

As far as details go, I try to get everything right and make things realistic, but not everything needs to be shown or said.  Especially if it's something we've seen before.  For example, in the Pharma series Morgana and Drew are a married couple trying for a kid.  Did I go into detail the first time they sex "on screen"?  Yes.  Do I need to be that explicit each and every time the married couple fucks?  No.  To me, it's like the scene in the Western where the main character learns how to ride a horse.  Now that we've shown them handling the horse, do we need to show them handling said horse each time they enter a new scene?  Not unless it's important, and if that's the case something else happened.  If there's a new spin on their fucking, like she's thinking of Tommy while her husband plows her, I'll cover that.

For me it's the non-porn stuff where I try to stay the most realistic.  Call me crazy, but I always get torn out of a story if something is off that I know is off.  Like, every time we hear a story about a chick who fucked a guy with a big dick and now she's "as loose as a bathrobe sleeve."  No, that's not how a vagina works, you just have a small pecker and don't know what you're doing.  It's not as bad with a non-porn detail but it still happens.  I'm a bit of a car guy, so when I hear about a BMW driver using a turn signal, I immediately know it's fake because no BMW driver in the history of driving has ever used a fucking turn signal.  Or if a story takes place in a certain time, I try to get the location and time accurate.  In Bob and the Mean Girls, the story takes place in 1995.  No one had cell phones but beepers were popular.  People would send pager codes all the time in short hand, like "Here's my code for call me at home" or "Don't come home, 50's at the door" or "Yo, your bitch be crazy, she just tried microwaving the cat again."  I try to use accurate story elements when I write, but will take liberties for a good story.  A good story is better than a real story but if can be real and good, make it both.  I'll spend way too much time researching something like how a dialect from Eastern Australia differs from Gold Coast or the rental market in Melbourne's harbor to get that part right so I can maybe have a little leeway if the guy drugs and screws his flatmate's girl because he's behind on the rent.

The same goes for Sci-fi and fantasy stories, too.  I have to make you feel that it's a real world, that at least this part of the world is consistent with itself.  Is it this world?  Probably not.  But it's world has to be consistent.  Writing a story about pack of raping, rampaging Orcs running through downtown LA and no one bats an eye is crazy, but if this was an every other day occurrence in this world, that's a different story.  If the story takes place in this world but there's a handful of people with mental powers to dive into minds and control people, why is this still a secret and rare thing?  I have to make that part believable.

[spunkjunk]

who cares if it´s exciting

who cares if it´s exciting

I 100% agree with Spunkjunk here!
The story must be fun and entertaining.

My stories usually have a profusion of rapists because my fantasies are teeming with scenes of falling castles where the soldiers and knights celebrate by raping and humiliating the Count's daughters. Getting raped and cummed on by a great many men is an ultimate form of humiliation. The peasants did this during the Great Jacquerie in 1360.

I've read surprising accounts that astonished me about women's incredible resilience. Some girls died of the abuse inflicted on them. At any rate, if I wrote a story about the 1360 Jacquerie, I would have to do it in the Extreme section, because the revolted peasants did truly horrible things to the knights and their wives and daughters.

But I've also seen accounts of young women who stayed alive and alert in spite of being raped by dozens of men. They must have been on a powerful adrenaline rush.

No two women react the same to a given load of abuse. It also depends on how the rapes occur.

I've read an account on the hotel attack in Sudan that occured in 2016. A hundred troops stormed a hotel complex where a group of aid workers were staying. The female aid workers were singled out and gang-raped. In an interview, one of them said she was raped by "countless soldiers". She remained fully alert the whole time and kept asking them "Why are you doing this?" Each individual rape was short, about a minute, as the soldiers were on a rush of adrenaline and very strongly turned on from the start.

If ten men rape a woman and it lasts one minute for each guy, then the woman is pounded for ten minutes total. But if one long-lasting rapist spends 20 minutes pounding her very viciously and he has a gigantic dick, then that single rape becomes a lot more debilitating, physically, than the ten one-minute rapes. Mentally, I'd say that being raped by ten men is a lot more traumatizing.

In some of my previous stories, the victims take an unrealistic amount of punishment. Some readers have nonetheless loved the story because it depicts a fantasy that turns me on and other readers as well. Many female readers identify with one of the victims and they will often love it if that said victim has orgasms in the arms of her rapists; this is fantasy!

These days, I'm giving a lot more thought on how much punishment each woman is taking. I'm not going to rewrite all my old stories, but it's one aspect I'm seriously working on improving, but keep in mind that this is a fantasy and it needs to be fun and entertaining to read!

[LtBroccoli]

who cares if it´s exciting

I 100% agree with Spunkjunk here!

If ten men rape a woman and it lasts one minute for each guy, then the woman is pounded for ten minutes total. But if one long-lasting rapist spends 20 minutes pounding her very viciously and he has a gigantic dick, then that single rape becomes a lot more debilitating, physically, than the ten one-minute rapes. Mentally, I'd say that being raped by ten men is a lot more traumatizing.

God dammit, no one said there'd be math on the test.  Let alone anything from Advanced Rape Calculus.  Now I have to calculate the F=UKD ratio based off the figures provided, and it goes even further since each individual attack involves an entry and exit derivative.

who cares if it´s exciting

I 100% agree with Spunkjunk here!

If ten men rape a woman and it lasts one minute for each guy, then the woman is pounded for ten minutes total. But if one long-lasting rapist spends 20 minutes pounding her very viciously and he has a gigantic dick, then that single rape becomes a lot more debilitating, physically, than the ten one-minute rapes. Mentally, I'd say that being raped by ten men is a lot more traumatizing.

God dammit, no one said there'd be math on the test.  Let alone anything from Advanced Rape Calculus.  Now I have to calculate the F=UKD ratio based off the figures provided, and it goes even further since each individual attack involves an entry and exit derivative.

I think it's important to get information on things such as girls forced into prostitution or held captive and raped repeatedly, so I get a nice grasp of what is believable and what isn't. Turns out, most women can endure a lot more punishment than some men credit them for!

At one point, though, the girls need to be rescued and treated, and the story/chapter needs to end!

[Romulus]

I primarily write my stories for my own fantasies. So I add as much unrealism and fantasy, and even cheese as I like for my fantasy. Long, long ago, I had someone ask of a story "but how did they not get caught, fingerprints, dna......" I don't write how one could get rid of that information because it doesn't fit into my fantasy. They don't go to jail, because going to jail isn't part of my fantasy. I do now write some story stuff that does have ways to avoid being caught, but that stuff is even unrealistic conspiracy and technology that is I'm sure impossible. But to me I had to kind of come up with some ideas given the specifics of what I find fits my fantasies. Sending out mass copies of videos and pictures of the rapes. So even that fits into my fantasies to a degree.

Overall I say that things can be as far from reality as one chooses, so long as it is internally consistent to the rest of the story. I think of it like what Robert Reed complained about regarding some stories on The Brady Bunch that he found too outlandish. Specifically the perfect body double stand in that looked exactly like Peter and was able to fool everyone. He said that is consistent for a show like Gilligan's Island but doesn't fit in the Brady Bunch. It depends on what kind of comedy you are doing. I see that rule for any movie, or show. So long as it is consistent to the type of show as it has already been established, it's good. When it doesn't fit for the world that has been created in whatever style of fiction it's bad. I personally would say the same applies to rape fantasy writing.

In my stories, and the one I`ve posted here, I just go full fantasy. I don`t care if it`s unrealistic, I`ll write massive magic futa cocks and artificially tightened holes, hundreds of people torturing one person for days and just straight up unbelievably porny hentai scenarios. The written word allows us to create worlds and do things that are impossible in reality, so why not use that for all it`s worth?

Some readers want the story to feel real and they're disappointed when something "breaks" the realistic storyline they were enjoying. This is especially true when the story has vivid depictions that feel real and then it lapses more into fantasy.

I sometimes got criticism from some readers because this happens in my story --- according to these readers, the number of rapes eventually becomes too high for the women to handle and this breaks the story's believability.

And of course, everybody has different opinions about what is believable and what isn't. For instance, some people don't think that orgasming during a rape is believable. Well, I did research about this and I've read the accounts of female rape survivors who say they hated themselves because they experienced it while being raped.

Just keep writing the stories you want to see unfold and learn to live with the criticism. Some writers tend to be more realistic, while others are more into full-blown fantasy. Being the target of criticism is often a sign that you're doing well, and keep in mind that you can't please everyone.

[Angie UK]

If the story is in the real world, then I like there to be a good sense of realism. However, and I know a lot of male readers don't like this, but I am fascinated by prim and proper women with status who discover a hidden pleasure in being submissive. A lady wrote a story a while back on RU about a woman that had been going back for revenge on a gang that had raped her but it all went wrong and so they raped her again. During this, she realises that in her subconscious she wanted it to happen again. I thought that was very erotic.

If it is in a fantasy / dystopian / sci-fi setting, then as far as I am concerned, anything is possible - monsters, vines, law and order breakdown, massive amounts of cum - bring it on!

[TheYellowKnight]

I'm trending towards writing more fantasy themed work, like sci-fi, supernatural, or including elements/plots that are just not real. 

Just a personal choice of disassociating from the horrors of the real thing, sort of mood.

As far as getting specific feedback about not liking whether your stories are too realistic or too unrealistic, my standard answer is always the same: go write your own :)

[EnabranTain]

Basically what we're talking about here is the Willing Suspension of Disbelief. A quick search brought me to a decent article on it. here.

But basically the idea is that your audience will buy into anything if you've setup your story world right to accommodate it (even if your intention is to have a story world that is as close to the real world as possible).

It reminds me of something I heard about the movie "Fight Club" (I think it was in the special features of the DVD). The director / producers said they got a lot of pushback from the ratings board saying it was too violet, but when you break it down, there's far more violence in any basic action movie than there was in "Fight Club". But because of the way the violence was filmed and portrayed in "Fight Club" it felt more intense, visceral.

So how "realistic" a particular rape scene might come across in your story has less to do with actual reality than whether or not you've properly set things up for the audience to maintain their willing suspension of disbelief.
In the case of "Fight Club" they did their job too well, apparently. It felt too real.