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Historical Source Material Thread
« on: April 16, 2022, 11:47:55 AM »
One thing that might be of interest is a thread of actual historical material on rapes in history, like the tit bits in Daniel Defoe¨s "A General History of the Pyrates" https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/40580 on the pirate Blackbeard/Edward Teach
".Before he sailed upon his Adventures, he marry’d a young Creature of about sixteen Years of Age, the Governor performing the Ceremony. As it is a Custom to marry here by a Priest, so it is there by a Magistrate; and this, I have been informed, made Teach’s fourteenth Wife, whereof, about a dozen might be still living. His Behaviour in this State, was something extraordinary; for, while his Sloop lay in Okerecock Inlet, and he ashore at a Plantation, where his Wife lived, with whom after he had lain all Night, it was his Custom to invite five or six of his brutal Companions to come ashore, and he would force her to prostitute her self to them all, one after another, before his Face
. ..... He often diverted himself with going ashore among the Planters, where he revelled Night and Day: By these he was well received, but whether out of Love or Fear, I cannot say; sometimes he used them courteously enough, and made them Presents of Rum and Sugar, in Recompence of what he took from them; but, as for Liberties (which ’tis said) he and his Companions often took with the Wives and Daughters of the Planters, I cannot take upon me to say, whether he paid them ad Valorem, or no. At other Times he carried it in a lordly Manner towards them, and would lay some of them under Contribution; nay, he often proceeded to bully the Governor, not, that I can discover the least Cause of Quarrel betwixt them, but it seemed only to be done, to shew he dared do it"
Likewise links to other online resources of interest, like
 https://www.thecollector.com/sexual-assault-of-women-in-ancient-rome/
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Re: Historical Source Material Thread
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2022, 01:54:28 PM »
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Re: Historical Source Material Thread
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Re: Historical Source Material Thread
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2022, 09:07:36 AM »
Campus gang rape 1980ies, educational material
https://archive.org/details/ERIC_ED267667/page/n21/mode/2up
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2022, 01:12:49 PM »
Campus gang rape 1980ies, educational material
https://archive.org/details/ERIC_ED267667/page/n21/mode/2up

Thanks for this! Rape scenarios involving students are always especially a turn on for me, although this one hits especially close to home as this article was written during the time when I was myself a student. As a side note, I guess I'm now old enough that my youth is now considered "historical material".

It does seem to me that attitudes to rape were different in the 1970's and 1980's compared to today. For example, this article mentions one incident where the only physically threatening thing the guys did was block the door--but this was enough to make her fear the consequences of refusing. Of course the guys didn't consider that to be rape--and a lot of the women didn't think so either at least in that era.

In a lot of old movies, rape-like behavior seems to be tolerated without being classified as rape. For example, in the movie Rocky, which won Best Picture in 1976, there is a scene where Rocky physically blocks the door, preventing Adrian from leaving. This is not so different from the frat party scenario in the article above, and Rocky, as a heavyweight boxing contender, would have been as physically imposing as two or three ordinary frat guys. Yet people in 1976 seemed to consider this to be normal behavior.

Another example, from a different kind of movie, is the movie Taboo from 1980. The 'Taboo' in the title refers to the taboo sexual relationship depicted in the movie between the mother (Barbara/Kay Parker) and the son (Paul/Mike Ranger). For me, however, more disturbing than the incest are the sex crimes that both Barbara and Paul perpetrate against each other. Paul spies on Barbara in the nude without her knowledge or consent. Later, Barbara rapes Paul by initiating sexual contact while he is asleep and unable to consent. The fact that it is rape is underscored by the fact that when Paul does wake up, he does briefly say 'no' (making it rape at that point) before then apparently consenting. Everyone focuses on the incest in the movie, but there are other things in the behavior of both Paul and Barbara that are disturbing when looked at from the perspective of sexual assault. The incest aside, the movie somehow tries to convey the message that spying on a potential partner in the nude without their consent, or initiating sexual contact with a nonconsenting sleeping partner, are viable ways to initiate a sexual relationship.

Again--thanks for the article--my main point being that I think attitudes have changed a lot, at least on the surface, since that article was written.
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Re: Historical Source Material Thread
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2022, 03:41:02 PM »
https://www.pdfdrive.com/japans-comfort-women-sexual-slavery-and-prostitution-during-world-war-ii-and-the-us-occupation-e196764828.html  Japan's comfort women : sexual slavery and prostitution during World War II and the US occupation
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2023, 11:11:16 AM »
Campus gang rape 1980ies, educational material
https://archive.org/details/ERIC_ED267667/page/n21/mode/2up

Thanks for this! Rape scenarios involving students are always especially a turn on for me, although this one hits especially close to home as this article was written during the time when I was myself a student. As a side note, I guess I'm now old enough that my youth is now considered "historical material".

It does seem to me that attitudes to rape were different in the 1970's and 1980's compared to today. For example, this article mentions one incident where the only physically threatening thing the guys did was block the door--but this was enough to make her fear the consequences of refusing. Of course the guys didn't consider that to be rape--and a lot of the women didn't think so either at least in that era.

In a lot of old movies, rape-like behavior seems to be tolerated without being classified as rape. For example, in the movie Rocky, which won Best Picture in 1976, there is a scene where Rocky physically blocks the door, preventing Adrian from leaving. This is not so different from the frat party scenario in the article above, and Rocky, as a heavyweight boxing contender, would have been as physically imposing as two or three ordinary frat guys. Yet people in 1976 seemed to consider this to be normal behavior.

Another example, from a different kind of movie, is the movie Taboo from 1980. The 'Taboo' in the title refers to the taboo sexual relationship depicted in the movie between the mother (Barbara/Kay Parker) and the son (Paul/Mike Ranger). For me, however, more disturbing than the incest are the sex crimes that both Barbara and Paul perpetrate against each other. Paul spies on Barbara in the nude without her knowledge or consent. Later, Barbara rapes Paul by initiating sexual contact while he is asleep and unable to consent. The fact that it is rape is underscored by the fact that when Paul does wake up, he does briefly say 'no' (making it rape at that point) before then apparently consenting. Everyone focuses on the incest in the movie, but there are other things in the behavior of both Paul and Barbara that are disturbing when looked at from the perspective of sexual assault. The incest aside, the movie somehow tries to convey the message that spying on a potential partner in the nude without their consent, or initiating sexual contact with a nonconsenting sleeping partner, are viable ways to initiate a sexual relationship.

Again--thanks for the article--my main point being that I think attitudes have changed a lot, at least on the surface, since that article was written.

Your comments here also bring up the muddled nature of consent in the era and before. People here may be familiar with a viral post that goes around during Christmas time regarding the song "Baby It's Cold Outside" in which an original poster points out how the lyrics are of a coercive nature, the man pressuring the woman to stay with him while she protests and refuses.

But then another poster responds to this criticism, explaining how the lyrics are actually a playful banter indicative of the way women had to behave and speak in order to consent in that time. Because "good girls" couldn't say yes to sex without being socially shamed, they had to "resist" with a wink and nod. That way it could be maintained she was a "good girl" and it was the man who imposed himself upon her, thus keeping her honor intact. Men were taught to expect this and to keep pushing.

A lot of movies made in these previous times depict that same dynamic. Audiences of the time didn't see it as rape because it was simply expected that men behaved that way and that women had to play hard to get.
Of course, this whole shitty social norm had the effect of making it difficult for women to say "NO" in a clear way and gave men an excuse to commit rape while claiming (or even believing) the victim wanted it.

In more recent times, there's been a huge movement to be very clear about consent, what it means and how to give it. But only a few decades ago, nobody thought of consent in such defined terms because of the complications mentioned above. Thus movies had things like in Taboo where the son peeps on his mother or she molests him while he's sleeping, without audiences batting an eye.

One of the most cringe worthy movies along these lines is "Revenge of the Nerds". It's a beloved movie for an entire generation of kids who grew up watching it when they were teens, but if you watch it now... Yikes!!! Why didn't we see how terrible it was back then? Well, because those were the social norms of the time, as terrible as that is.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madge_Oberholtzer   When somebody who is high in the ranks of the Ku Klux Klan comes across as very unsympathetic, for someone in that role, you see a very unpleasant human being indeed. 0vomit0
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