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Offline KrysG84

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didn't think it would take long..
« on: October 20, 2017, 12:54:03 PM »
So I didn't think it would take long before sexual abuse allegations would surface in the modeling industry considering the current climate.
It is in my experience, not one of my female friends in the industry (models) have escaped sexually inappropriate behavior towards them to varying degrees. Some from LGBT within the industry together with various people in support roles have experienced it also.
Personally; indeed I have had to deal with it consistently throughout my careers first as a model then as a hair and makeup artiste.
It is hard enough to have to battle with unwanted attention from some 'fans' etc without having the awkward and often more difficult battle against (some) superiors, colleagues and clients.
Some have said especially in the modeling and adult industry, it comes with the territory. I beg to differ strongly. It is a job and there is such a thing as professionalism. And just because we may do certain things it does not mean we do everything else. Its not a blank cheque. Its not an invite. No often means no irl.
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2017, 01:54:30 PM »
No often means no irl.

Shouldn't No *always* mean no?
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2017, 02:24:16 PM »
Well ok...Eljorn...yes...I suppose in a way...? However, unsavoury truth I suppose is, a very rare few at times may mean more yes wise than no when they say no. But indeed the exceptionally big majority do mean no when they say no....
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2017, 04:05:52 PM »
Yeah, unfortunately No has to mean No all the time (Unless agreed apon ahead of time for the scene) because if you give SOME men any degree of interpretation, they run off to the extreme that now always means yes, she just doesn't mean it yet.

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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 08:49:09 AM »
Humanity is such an odd entity...
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2017, 01:19:50 PM »
Humanity is such an odd entity...

You would think we might understand ourselves better.  Unfortunately, we don't appear to be very good at that.

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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2017, 02:58:59 PM »
Humanity is such an odd entity...

Sorry you had to deal with this and I am sure you are not alone.

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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 07:29:05 AM »
No often means no irl.

Shouldn't No *always* mean no?
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where I go to school, "no" means "yes" and "yes" mrans "anal.:

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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 10:31:43 AM »
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 05:29:08 PM »
I think sexual harassment seems to be a problem in the modeling industry simply because there is a high concentration of beautiful women. The bottom line is beautiful women are harassed anywhere, everywhere all the time regardless of their profession. I have a gorgeous friend who works in a government office. Her tales of strange men brashly hitting on her in malls, restaurants, walking down the street, you name it, never fail to amaze me.

Unfortunately for her and others, I chalk it up to human nature in a patriarchal society.

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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 06:04:49 PM »
I think sexual harassment seems to be a problem in the modeling industry simply because there is a high concentration of beautiful women. The bottom line is beautiful women are harassed anywhere, everywhere all the time regardless of their profession. I have a gorgeous friend who works in a government office. Her tales of strange men brashly hitting on her in malls, restaurants, walking down the street, you name it, never fail to amaze me.

Unfortunately for her and others, I chalk it up to human nature in a patriarchal society.

Just because we may b beautiful or sexy, it is not an automatic invite. Sure everyone loves compliments. However, sexual harrassment is a no-no. Men needs to understand this -and take "no" for an answer.
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 06:09:38 PM »
I think sexual harassment seems to be a problem in the modeling industry simply because there is a high concentration of beautiful women.

Emphasis added.  That's 1 factor, and I'll just say the one you see.  It's not just that all the women are beautiful, the Photographers et-al kinda get used to being around beautiful women all the time.  Talk to a Bouncer at a strip club, or the bartender, or any male that works there, other than the manager.  Now, we (Myself included, I have been that bouncer at several sex clubs) are charged with Protecting all those hot women that dance sexily, for money.  That's the Position.  Our Role, and you tend to get to know those women very well, as People.  

Better than the regulars that get to stick bills in their G strings for lap-dances.  That's a different role.  The Photographer, Manager, Producer, and so forth, he has a role of Power over the models.  Same with dance instructers, even gay ones.  Same with Drill Instructors, even straight ones.

"All right ladies, line up.  Aten-shun!"  Walk down the line, inspecting them.  Their clothes (Uniform) "Suck in that gut, Private!  You eye fucking me?  Eyes front, not over here, you don't listen with your eyes, listen with your ears."

Discipline.  The D in BDSM (When it doesn't stand for Dominance.)  The Photographer, for example, plays the same role:  "Smile, now turn left.  Shake your hair out, that's right, beautiful.  Now, slip that strap off your shoulder, show me a little..."

Context.  Either you can work with beautiful women, even strippers, and see them as people with feelings, or you can tell them what to do, make them look beautiful, and Objectify them.  These industries tend to attract men, and women (Women do it too) who want to see beautiful women as sex objects, and they tend to take positions where they can Control them.  The industry is about Beauty.  The Position of Sexual Harassment is about Control.

Among other things, but that's one example I think you can understand.  (Without ever having been a model, or sex worker.)
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 06:15:24 PM »
A merit each to Wolf and Psi I do think is deserved!
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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 06:19:51 PM »
Oh yeah, there's also the assumption that fat/ugly women, and men don't get sexually harassed.  When we do.

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Re: didn't think it would take long..
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2017, 03:15:32 AM »
Well said, Psi. You make many good points.

And Krys, I wasn't defending men who abuse their power or are unable to control their impulses. I know harassment is wrong, but some guys either ignore societal constraints or figure the reward is worth the risk. Those who can resist the urge end up exercising their desires here at RU.  :P