Author Topic: Fantasy, reality, and rape porn  (Read 2063 times)

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Re: Fantasy, reality, and rape porn
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2019, 01:57:30 PM »
This is an interesting topic to because as some of you know I flirted with the idea of joining the adult film industry. But I didn't want to become one of the many horror stories that are surprisingly easy to find if you know where to look. I'd considered doing a scene with blacked, reality kings and/or girls do porn. But I wanted to talk to girls who had done scenes for both companies first. And I did.  This is where the rape-"porn" comes in.  If you've never seen any of their videos, the entire draw is that the girls are usually new to porn, and its filmed like either an audition/first-time style video.  The truth is most of the girls are new to porn and have no idea what they are getting into.  Many of the girls are 18-22 and didn't realize how.....forceful....the scenes can be apparently.  When I talked to a former porn girl about this she said that no matter the level of pain they are in, they are told to smile.  She told me to rewatch a few of the videos and instead of looking at the girls smile, watch her eyes.  I did, and she was right you can see most of them are fighting back any outward expressions of pain, she said that her experience was just on the legal side of rape.  And while they did stop when asked, they berated her for having to take multiple breaks, openly talked about not paying her (eventually they did), and basically kicked her out of the hotel room while she was still trying to process the experience.  

I think most guys watch scenes from those kinds of sites for exactly the experience she had in her shoot.  It was unnecessarily rough, she was told that her discomfort was irrelevant and to just smile through it, and she felt very uncomfortable with the entire situation but in a room with 5 guys and her....going along with the scene and getting out relatively unharmed is probably the best course of action.

I have chatted online to a lot of adult stars, met some at conventions and paid some for their ... time and I think this is right. Add to that a lot of unwanted touching off camera they have to laugh off (some are ok with it and some are not) and sometimes rapes too. I asked them why the guys got away with it (let's face it, part of me is jealous). They can complain but that risks never working again which is tough when you have already made porn and feel like this is your whole career now. Plus most make not that much money because of pirated content. A lot are also escorts (so different from 20 years ago) to make more money so the videos are more like an ad for escorting or being a webcam girl. It is different for maybe the top 5% or 10% but most women in the industry have to put up with a lot.
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Re: Fantasy, reality, and rape porn
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2019, 09:25:01 PM »
Id watch about anything even if its real, after all it already happened and you have no why to change the outcome of what is happening. Many things in my mind arouse me that are illegal, so although I wouldnt ask for one, I wouldnt mind a rape porn.

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Re: Fantasy, reality, and rape porn
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2021, 06:06:18 PM »
Sex Industry & porno profit off younger women which are always in fresh supply.
Women stars don’t get rich but the industry guys sure do (whoever own studio, distribution, etc.)  This is parallel with sex work/traffic where men disproportionately profit off the labor of women or girls. The institution of marriage also tends to subjugate women to men’s needs. Patriarchy may be intangible but it is nonetheless very real. 

The fantasy/reality distinction deserves a deep look. Porno, like it or not, is available and abundant.

I’d agree with Kylie about anime as a less destructive erotic alternative. This is also why I gravitate toward reading and writing fiction over the abundance of fap video everywhere.
Bubbles and other raise excellent point about human impacts for actresses or sex workers that is too easily overlooked by so many men.
Rare vintage porn sometimes appears close to realistic but to record performing a crime (Rape or Snuff, murder) is fairly rare (although it happens, stupidity knows no bounds) and clearly deemed illegal. Rape or snuff is almost always obvious fakes.

Are some ravishment videos erotic? Depends.  For sure I’ve come across twisted flicks that might get me off but I typically feel revolted and some guilt after. Vast majority of porn goes too far for my taste.  I unavoidably empathise with the women and don’t comprehend hurting women as arousing. For example, Scat and snuff are incomprehensible turn ons to me but I do tolerate; many different strokes for different folks. Wild kinks make our world richer, even if we don’t like it all personally. The line for what deserves censorship moves around constantly by place and time.

 Any video production that looks too real runs risks of getting in serious trouble. At the risk of sounding Marxist: On a global scale women are objectified & commodified: chewed and spit up but ‘entrepreneurs.’ (a kind euphemism for capitalists exploiting people and things for profit)

Further damage results way down stream: young ladies encounter boys with advanced misunderstandings and unrealistic expectations about sex. I feel casual Hookup culture sounds dreadful, a culture that looks at girls as “fuckable” is born of patriarchal power. “Me too” movement is/was an attempt to call out the powerful who take advantage. Women suffering sexual abuse has been happening for 1000s of years, hardcore. Only recently is some voice given to the abused.
Porno actresses for sure deal with harassment, abuse on set and off, general lack of compassion. The false assumption that money covers the costs or reimburses for what these girls give.  The drama and after effects long outlast the check received I’d suspect.

Porn is focused on penetrations, close ups, never touching,  caress, kissing. Instead young boys see skull-fucking, ass to mouth, and gang-bangs which no woman would be doing without the financial rewards promised. No shortage of young women seeking a payday and porn industry remains alive, profitable and unlikely to disappear any time soon.
It is worth understanding how porn can be toxic to a healthy sex life, but I certainly don't mean to say porn is awful so quit it. Rather porno may have unexpected consequences so be cautious and mindful. 
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