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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2007, 02:46:57 PM »

Man, this guy must've had a crappy-ass defense lawyer.  I certainly hope they *do* re-open the case and look at the evidence (what they can find, for crying out loud) by the light of the 21st century.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2007, 02:53:26 PM »
Story almost reads like a script from that show "In the heat of the night". At least,that was my impression after reading article.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007, 03:58:49 PM »
Thirty years is too long if he DID do it, for pity's sake!

12 to 14 minutes? Didn't kill or even injure her.

Shame on the ciminal INjustice system.

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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2007, 04:01:46 PM »
If it really were just 10-12 minutes out of a woman's life...maybe I'd agree with you.  But a rape is something a person has to live with for the rest of his / her life.  I think the perpetrator should suffer just as long.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007, 04:14:48 PM »
If it really were just 10-12 minutes out of a woman's life...maybe I'd agree with you.  But a rape is something a person has to live with for the rest of his / her life.  I think the perpetrator should suffer just as long.

There are different degrees of suffering.
Sure, when she thinks of it, even 30 years later, she feels anxiety, or sadness. 
He feels these things too, just as badly, every time he thinks of the first day of his arrest.
But then, on top of that, he's PUT IN A CAGE FOR 30 YEARS.
Now THAT'S suffering.
Compounded by the fact that they didn't even bother to make sure they got the right guy.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2007, 04:23:24 PM »
But you're assuming you know the degree to which each victims suffers, and that's just not so.  Sure, some victims may be able to put it behind them.  Some may only feel anxiety and sadness.  If they're strong enough, a victim can move on with his / her life.  But some can never move past it.  Some have nightmares.  Some watch their lives spiral out of control.  Some commit suicide, unable to live with the memory.  It wrecks marriages and relationships and a person's feeling of security.

To me, it's a life-altering change that someone has forced on you.  You're fond of making comparisons...so I'll make one (even though I know you'll think it's melodramatic).  It's like a murder that doesn't kill you.  Instead you have to live with it for the rest of your life.  IMO, just the shame or whatever of being arrested doesn't make up for that.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2007, 04:26:33 PM »
But you're assuming you know the degree to which each victims suffers, and that's just not so.  Sure, some victims may be able to put it behind them.  Some may only feel anxiety and sadness.  If they're strong enough, a victim can move on with his / her life.  But some can never move past it.  Some have nightmares.  Some watch their lives spiral out of control.  Some commit suicide, unable to live with the memory.  It wrecks marriages and relationships and a person's feeling of security.

To me, it's a life-altering change that someone has forced on you.  You're fond of making comparisons...so I'll make one (even though I know you'll think it's melodramatic).  It's like a murder that doesn't kill you.  Instead you have to live with it for the rest of your life.  IMO, just the shame or whatever of being arrested doesn't make up for that.

Prison also does all of those things that you mention.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2007, 04:28:08 PM »
Good.   It should, imo.

Of course, if this guy wasn't guilty, then it's absolutely horrible.  But I've no sympathy for the actual perpetrators of rapes, murders and the like.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 04:36:27 PM »
  IMO, just the shame or whatever of being arrested doesn't make up for that.


Being arrested and incarcerated causes a hell of a lot more issues than "shame".You find out just how "street smart" you really are,and also find out who your true friends are.You embarrass your family,and some will not talk to you.That was just my experience in county jail for a few days.And I was only in trouble for theft,which I DID.I cannot even fathom how it would feel to lose your life for something you didn't do.

(Not diminishing rape victims at all,but one cannot diminish what incarceration does to innocent people either)

And for guys falsely arrested for rape,their lives are ruined.Noone will ever live down being an "accused rapist".Those kids from Duke are stained for life.That can never be taken away.Now,again,I won't say it is as bad as actual rape,but it is extremely bad in its own right.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2007, 04:39:37 PM »
Also, there is a very good chance you will be raped in prison and then have to suffer from that in addition to being caged.

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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2007, 04:47:37 PM »
Right! I would have no problem with an actual rapist being raped in prison, but for the unjustly accused that is horrible.

Ynyn, I only spent 5 days in county jail, but my friends were actually pretty cool in that case. They came and visited on the one day they could and brought me stuff. Overall it was a pretty nice set up, 3 meals a day (actually pretty good food where I was) and no rapes. Just the simple act of having your freedom taken away though was enough to keep me from ever going back.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2007, 04:55:27 PM »
Right! I would have no problem with an actual rapist being raped in prison, but for the unjustly accused that is horrible.

Ynyn, I only spent 5 days in county jail, but my friends were actually pretty cool in that case. They came and visited on the one day they could and brought me stuff. Overall it was a pretty nice set up, 3 meals a day (actually pretty good food where I was) and no rapes. Just the simple act of having your freedom taken away though was enough to keep me from ever going back.

Agreed.

I was only there few days,but was never comfortable.Where I used to live,for the last few days of sentences,ppl were sent to the city jail (a smaller old jail that still had bars instead of automatic sliding doors) and the guys there were mellow. But the first couple days were spent in county jail,where we would interact with the guys who were there for long time,or just finishing sentences from overcrowded prisons.

In city jail,I just called my little brother every day and told him to NEVER end up behind bars,ever.(My big brother duty,I suppose)

Worst part was initial sentencing when judge threw out my plea bargain and sent me to jail.
His quote: "I see here by this plea agreement,that you will not spend any time in jail...I disagree."  THAT SUCKED.

You are right about loss of freedom being horrible.It's also impossible to describe to ppl.


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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2007, 04:57:56 PM »
And I was only in trouble for theft,which I DID.I cannot even fathom how it would feel to lose your life for something you didn't do.

(Not diminishing rape victims at all,but one cannot diminish what incarceration does to people either)

Oh, absolutely.  And of course I would not want an innocent person to have to go through any of that, by any means.  I simply was referring to actual perpetrators of rape.  In those cases, bring it on,  imo.
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Re: 30 years for rape that he may not have done
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2007, 05:02:01 PM »
Yeah. You cannot understand how the loss of the simple freedom to come and go as you please truely hits you unless you have been through it. Like I said it was only 5 days for me, but it still hit hard. I should have said it could have been a cushy deal, but despite decent food and free cable it sucked. And of course The worst part was one other guy that was in there had beaten the hell out of his girlfriend and was very proud of it and the fact that she brought him in money for canteen.
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