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Title: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: [Bubbles] on March 29, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
(This is a repost, I realized I want everyone's opinion on this not just the ones I chat with the most)

Okay so I had an encounter that I want all of your opinions on, so here goes.

Was having a conversation with someone on discord earlier today, we were considering starting a RP, but as you all know I'm not the best RP partner so, I like to get to know someones style their likes, if they like to lead or follow in the rp...etc.

And we were asking each other questions back and forth, as ya do.  Then he asked to see a picture of me.  I sent him one, then he asked to see more of my body, I explained that if he's looking for nudes, I don't really do that but I could direct him toward some good websites to make him happy.  He said nah, he didn't need nudes just wanted to get an idea of my body type. (I think that was his subtle way of checking to see how much I weigh, based on his comments.) I sent him a pic of my body, then he asked what color my panties were, I told him, he asked to see so I showed him (still on my body I just pulled down my pants a little).  And on and on he went, he'd change the subject for a bit then come back to wanting to see me with less on. By this point, I knew he was just here for the pics and even if he was a RP'er his imagination was for shit, if he couldn't work with what I'd already sent him.  So I politely told him we wouldn't be playing together (he was very surprised and couldnt figure out why).  And he asked "since we arent gonna play can you just send a nude." I explained for what I think was the 9th time, not my thing.  He said he'd pay me. He started out insultingly low...

$2?
#TryAgain.
$5?
#Still Insulted
$10?
#Nope
$20?
#Pass
$50?
#EvenIfINeededThe$NO
$100?
#WaitWhat?
$250?
#DudeCantBeSerious

Then he said something ridiculous that was accompanied with a snapshot of his PayPal account (which had about 30k in it) he said he'd give me $500 dollars for ONE NUDE. And to be honest, for a second...I thought about it. I mean I know once it's out there you can't get it back but that's $500! That's most of my rent ya know?

...And then it occurred to me.  He could get nudes anywhere, and he'd already see a fair portion of my body. He knew what I looked like. It wasn't about the nude. He wanted control. He wanted the ability to make a girl who had told him no, do the thing that she said she wouldn't do. He wasn't asking to buy a nude, he was asking to buy my integrity.  He was asking for me to put a price on how much my integrity would go for on the open market...

And that's when I got pretty cheesed off.

So I need to ask the guys (or in some cases girls), who have paid for porn, pics, vids, sexting, WHATEVER!

What are you actually buying?

The Nude or Her Integrity?
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Kylie on March 29, 2020, 05:58:15 PM
I have had clients ask to take a picture of me.
There are millions of nude pictures on the internet.
But I think they want a memory, something they can keep forever to remember a personal experience with you.  It is something no one else can feel the same about, even if someone else sees this picture.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Shocker on March 29, 2020, 06:45:12 PM
Sometimes it’s just nice to find out what people are willing to do for money. So I take it the power is ultimately more interesting than the actual nudity, because without sounding callous there isn’t really that much variety under the sun, on the other hand it’s still so utterly pretty to look at.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: carhamgrater on March 29, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Have you considered that he maybe wanted your nude picture to help boost an imaginary ego- look at all the girls I slept with, here the proof-a nude shot of you! He might have wanted it to photo shop other's heads onto your body to sell the images to magazines, porn dating sites etc... To me you forgot or never even considered exploitation to benefit his finances!- just my warped view !
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: freeros on March 30, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
It's hard to know for sure what aspect of anything someone else is actually getting off on. My guess in this case is the power of getting you to give him a nude shot when you're reluctant to do it. I don't think he's buying your integrity though unless he knew giving him a nude would be out of integrity for you. i.e. you couldn't feel good about yourself if you did that because it violated your values. There's lots of things I wouldn't do unless I was paid well, but I'd only be out of integrity if I did something that violated my value system so that I felt shitty about it no matter how much I was paid - like doing something that hurt someone else. I'm guessing your anger at the guy is probably stemming from the dishonest and disrespectful way he got the earlier pics from you by pretending to be into role play. Maybe if he sincerely apologized and compensated you for that first you'd be more happy to trade nude pics for his money.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: [Bubbles] on March 30, 2020, 11:14:41 AM
It's hard to know for sure what aspect of anything someone else is actually getting off on. My guess in this case is the power of getting you to give him a nude shot when you're reluctant to do it. I don't think he's buying your integrity though unless he knew giving him a nude would be out of integrity for you. i.e. you couldn't feel good about yourself if you did that because it violated your values. There's lots of things I wouldn't do unless I was paid well, but I'd only be out of integrity if I did something that violated my value system so that I felt shitty about it no matter how much I was paid - like doing something that hurt someone else. I'm guessing your anger at the guy is probably stemming from the dishonest and disrespectful way he got the earlier pics from you by pretending to be into role play. Maybe if he sincerely apologized and compensated you for that first you'd be more happy to trade nude pics for his money.

Well giving a nude after I said no would be out of integrity.  But like I'd probably post a semi-nude/revealing pic on this site, but ONLY because I want to post it. I'm just firmly against being treated like my body is someone elses property. WHICH SOUNDS CRAZY I KNOW. but theres a difference in giving yourself to someone with the intent of being treated like property and someone taking that liberty w/o permission. I dunno maybe im the crazy one!
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: freeros on March 30, 2020, 12:49:04 PM
It's hard to know for sure what aspect of anything someone else is actually getting off on. My guess in this case is the power of getting you to give him a nude shot when you're reluctant to do it. I don't think he's buying your integrity though unless he knew giving him a nude would be out of integrity for you. i.e. you couldn't feel good about yourself if you did that because it violated your values. There's lots of things I wouldn't do unless I was paid well, but I'd only be out of integrity if I did something that violated my value system so that I felt shitty about it no matter how much I was paid - like doing something that hurt someone else. I'm guessing your anger at the guy is probably stemming from the dishonest and disrespectful way he got the earlier pics from you by pretending to be into role play. Maybe if he sincerely apologized and compensated you for that first you'd be more happy to trade nude pics for his money.

Well giving a nude after I said no would be out of integrity.  But like I'd probably post a semi-nude/revealing pic on this site, but ONLY because I want to post it. I'm just firmly against being treated like my body is someone elses property. WHICH SOUNDS CRAZY I KNOW. but theres a difference in giving yourself to someone with the intent of being treated like property and someone taking that liberty w/o permission. I dunno maybe im the crazy one!

You're not crazy at all. There's a huge difference to consenting to being dominated by someone, and being dominated without your consent.

For me money can change some of my "no"s to "yes"s without me losing integrity. There's lots of tasks I'd do if the pay was high enough. But I wouldn't betray my core values for money.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Army of One on March 30, 2020, 05:56:40 PM
We already spoke about this on your blog thread, but I'll repeat what I said here: I do think he is after control over you. By having something as personal as a nude, he can use that as leverage to make you do things you don't want to do.

Not every guy after nudes is out for control; to use myself as a pretty poor example, if I do ask, if I get told no, I'll accept the no. But given the number of high-profile cases in recent years, control-seekers seem to be in the majority.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: vile8r on March 31, 2020, 08:02:00 PM
I have NEVER asked for or offered to pay a girl to show me nudes. I have been sent a few, I will admit, but never were they solicited by me. I have chatted with some girls, who after a certain amount of time of getting to know each other, and being comfortable, we have sent each other pics. It was a purely mutual arrangement. Never have I felt the desire or the need to impose control over a woman. In spite of my fantasies and the stories I write, I am not that way. I have asked for pics, yes......sexy pics, not necessarily nudes. And if the woman says no, I am fine with it. I would have too much respect for you, Bubbles, as a member of this site, to do something like that. The guy you chatted with was a dick, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Between Angela's Legs on April 14, 2020, 04:31:26 PM
A number of years ago, I asked Angela to pose nude for me for money. Angela, who is the woman for whom my username on here is named, later on got a restraining order against me, which has since expired. She cited my request to her to pose nude for money as one of the reasons for the restraining order, although at the time I made the request she seemed to reply a bit more favorably. She did seriously consider it. The offer was for $250 for Angela to pose topless or $500 for completely nude. She responded by asking whether I was asking to also touch her breasts as part of posing topless. I don't remember whether I said 'yes' or not but she said she would seriously consider it. Eventually, however, she decided against it apparently because she didn't want photos like that "out there". She seemed to suggest that the price was too low and for a higher price she would consider it. However money was tight for both of us, and about $250-$500 was all I could afford at the time, so such negotiations didn't go any further.

So, yes, to some degree I was trying to put a price on her integrity, and by seriously considering it and by implying that for a higher (unspecified) price it might have been doable, Angela was agreeing that she did have a price, even though we weren't able to work out something in detail that would work.

Later on I asked an acquaintance of Angela's to also pose nude for money. This time the price was a lot lower (just a token $2) and the woman said 'yes'. However I first got Angela to confirm that it was, indeed, her friend I was talking to and that her friend did agree to pose nude for money. Angela reluctantly wished me well in enjoying her friend's photo, but in doing so Angela was confirming that her friends, too, had their price--in this case a rather low price of $2. The photo that I received of Angela's friend is the photo that I'm using on here as my avatar--the photo with a woman standing nude in a swimming pool wearing only some rather elaborate jewelry around her neck. This photo, even though it is not of Angela, is therefore connected in my mind with this exchange with Angela and serves as a memento of that time.

I know the name of the woman in the photo, but to keep things anonymous prefer not to mention it, even though I'm using Angela's real first (but not last) name.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Sappho on July 04, 2020, 11:50:53 PM
I know more than a few online sexworkers, and I think for most men it's a power thing, not so much an integrity thing. You said no, I made you say yes. Though I know for some johns there's an element of "I have porn no one else has", that's why someone patrons a friend of mine with some big money.

I admit I've chipped in to some patreons, but for me its about supporting sex workers I like on a personal level or who fill a niche I'm happy to see filled.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Abby on July 05, 2020, 07:55:28 PM
Let’s see I’m a 33 year old guy and he seemed like a piece of shit. Desperate, uncaring, wanted control he was trying to see how far he could push you to go. Pathetic really, IMHO.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Brek on July 05, 2020, 11:04:38 PM
I don't think it's a matter of integrity, really, more of safety.

I had a bet with an ex to bring her 20 signatures that said she was beautiful. She had serious anorexia so I wanted to do something about it. I got 100 signatures. She never gave me the nude. In retrospect, I shouldn't have made that the ante. Dumb teenage hormones.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: ego on October 11, 2020, 01:52:23 PM

(This is a repost, I realized I want everyone's opinion on this not just the ones I chat with the most)
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 I don't really do that but I could direct him toward some good websites to make him happy.  H
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He said he'd pay me. He started out insultingly low...
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The Nude or Her Integrity?

"Rape is when you do something about rejection!"

Real-dating is kind of insulting when you are talking to "the" woman, and someone tells you there is "a" woman somewhere else. Like you did with the nude pic websites alternatives.

Are you just a woman OR are you bubbles the girl he was talking to and eventually failing to seduce?
Would you really prefer him to stop chatting at your first "no"?
Real question!

He did invest his time on you.
He was focused on you!

It is irrelevant for a man that he wanted your integrity, men don't think so far into sex or nudes.



Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Sentinel on October 12, 2020, 03:26:21 PM
Personally the onlyfans I pay for I do purely for the product, and because I know that it is a more effective way of supporting the model/actress. If I consume porn on a free website I derive the same physical pleasure, but I know that the performer is getting very little if anything out of that. Meanwhile using onlyfans I derive the same pleasure but the person doing the actual work gets paid for their work. And through that support can afford to make more. So I'd say for me it's actually integrity-improving as I see it as payment for a product I enjoy (the nude, video, etc. Not saying the performer is a product). Beyond that I don't ask women for nudes. I do exchange them with my fiancée, and I have received unsollicited nudes from female coworkers but the latter of those I always deleted.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Limerick (eslimm) on December 13, 2020, 12:05:29 PM
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 that I want all of your opinions on, so here


So I need to ask the guys (or in some cases girls), who have paid for porn, pics, vids, sexting, WHATEVER!

What are you actually buying?

The Nude or Her Integrity?

So... I”m a woman.... but I’ve been in a similar position.  I once dated a photographer whose favorite thing in the world seemed to be taking nude pictures of me.   I’m just thankful they they didn’t end up on the Internet.  It turns out that it was pretty hot. Then he went off the rails and wanted to take pictures of me having sex with several of his friends.  Yeah... didn’t happen.  Not on camera, anyway.  The last time I saw him, I woke up in the middle of the night tied, spreadeagled to the bed with a bedroom full of more than a dozen of his college buddies.  I remember sunlight coming through the bedroom window by the time one of them finally untied me. It was a LONG night!  And quite a long time before my poor labia didn’t look like they’d endured nine rounds with Mike Tyson.
 My suspicion is that your guy is motivated by two things:  guys are far more visually stimulated than girls are.  A nude photo will drive his fantasies about you.  It may also be a control thing.  I doubt it has anything to do with your integrity really... though imposing his will on you is likely a factor.  But, Hell, if you can parlay a nude photo into rent money, who’s really in control?
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: [Bubbles] on June 06, 2021, 12:00:34 PM
So honestly, I think my views on this entire experience are starting to shift.  Now let me explain that a bit. 

The emergence of OnlyFans and it's normalization in culture.  OnlyFans has given the power of porn to women, maybe for the first time ever.  As some of you know I considered dipping my toe in the adult entertainment industry. However, I wanted to produce and direct, not act.   This was quickly shot down by every producer I spoke with saying unless I had a mountain of cash, the only way to get behind the camera was to be in front of it first.  Most the women who are producers and directors are previous porn stars.  This was not for me. OnlyFans lets me produce and star, there doesn't have to be a break between the two, I wouldn't have to spend 10 years sucking dick for the right to just do what I want.  This power exchange isn't just disrupting the industry, its redefining it completely.

This sort of shift in power means IF the person making the content WANTS to put their integrity up for sale, that's not only possible but profitable.  If you want to sell the experience, or the content or even just the illusion of obedience and control, now YOU (content creator) don't have to choose because you set the market.  However, to answer a few DM's, I am still not open to doing an only fans....yet.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Neighbor on June 10, 2021, 08:46:38 PM
I find myself agreeing with, and sympathetic to, your initial assessment of the guy and his motives/goals.

Then you change the game, and suggest that you might consider going into business of providing to that guy, those things we assume he was seeking.

Certainly that will raise flags, attracting those among us who share similarities to that original guy... people who want to pull you off your center.

Any wolf prowling, must certainly smell the blood.

But we autists are not the best communicators, so I never know if I understood correctly, nor whether what I tried to say was understandable.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: [Bubbles] on June 10, 2021, 11:36:11 PM
I find myself agreeing with, and sympathetic to, your initial assessment of the guy and his motives/goals.

Then you change the game, and suggest that you might consider going into business of providing to that guy, those things we assume he was seeking.

Certainly that will raise flags, attracting those among us who share similarities to that original guy... people who want to pull you off your center.

Any wolf prowling, must certainly smell the blood.

But we autists are not the best communicators, so I never know if I understood correctly, nor whether what I tried to say was understandable.

I'm still a long way from desiring or even really considering that line of work but I guess I was just sharing some perspective I've gained in the last year.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: Army of One on June 11, 2021, 11:11:13 PM
This sort of shift in power means IF the person making the content WANTS to put their integrity up for sale, that's not only possible but profitable.  If you want to sell the experience, or the content or even just the illusion of obedience and control, now YOU (content creator) don't have to choose because you set the market.  However, to answer a few DM's, I am still not open to doing an only fans....yet.
I'll be honest with you here, Bubbles, I think OnlyFans exists so that actresses can share their stuff without selling their integrity. I mean, if a porn studio tells you to do a certain kind of scene that you're not comfortable with, and you do it anyway because "it pays", that's selling your integrity, you're not doing the scene on your terms. On OnlyFans, everything is on your terms alone.
Title: Re: Nudes v. Integrity
Post by: [Bubbles] on June 12, 2021, 12:27:32 PM
This sort of shift in power means IF the person making the content WANTS to put their integrity up for sale, that's not only possible but profitable.  If you want to sell the experience, or the content or even just the illusion of obedience and control, now YOU (content creator) don't have to choose because you set the market.  However, to answer a few DM's, I am still not open to doing an only fans....yet.
I'll be honest with you here, Bubbles, I think OnlyFans exists so that actresses can share their stuff without selling their integrity. I mean, if a porn studio tells you to do a certain kind of scene that you're not comfortable with, and you do it anyway because "it pays", that's selling your integrity, you're not doing the scene on your terms. On OnlyFans, everything is on your terms alone.

I totally agree, and while only fan still isn't for me, I get why people are flocking to it