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« on: August 08, 2007, 05:22:44 PM »

Ravishment University allows stories with characters under the age of 18,  Such content is legal in the United States.  Since this forum is hosted in the United States, U.S. law applies to the content herein.

For more details please see:

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (this is the latest word on this issue from the U.S. Supreme Court)
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16082

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The Supreme Court has once again planted the First Amendment flag in cyberspace, ruling yesterday that Congress acted unconstitutionally when it banned so-called “virtual” child pornography, which only appears to depict minors.

The law sweeps too broadly by outlawing expression in which no real children are used, the court said, and could, if taken literally, criminalize modern-day renditions of "Romeo and Juliet."

Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for a 6-3 majority, said the 1996 federal law “turns the First Amendment upside down” by outlawing protected speech as a way of banning unprotected child pornography. The law, said Kennedy, “prohibits speech that records no crime and creates no victims by its production.”

Federal law has long forbidden child pornography that uses real children, but Congress in 1996 expanded the statute to include computer-generated images that “appear to be of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.”

“It was a Brennan-like statement of the importance of maintaining First Amendment protections,” said Michael Bamberger, a New York partner at Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal(guess where I work?) who co-wrote a brief in the case on behalf of book, magazine and video publishers. “They are reminding us that just because the goals of Congress were legitimate, that does not validate the law.”


http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=00-795

If there are newer developments that you are aware of, please post an update.


If you are a citizen or resident of a country other than the United States, please research to see what is acceptable in your jurisdiction.  Authors have been asked to post warning about sensitive content at the beginning of their stories.  If the country in which you reside has laws against the reading of such material, please avoid this content or consider using an anonomyzer service hosted in another country, so your government cannot review the websites you are visiting.  If you live in Saudi Arabia we do not want you to loose your head!
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So much oppression in our culture is based on shame about sex: the oppression of women, of cultural minorities, oppression in the name of the (presumably asexual) family, oppression of sexual minorities. We are all oppressed. We have all been taught, one way or another, that our desires, our bodies, our sexualities, are shameful. What better way to defeat oppression than to get together in communities and celebrate the wonders of sex?
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2013, 02:04:43 PM »

Anybody who writes or reads a story about an underage girl being raped is a paedophile! Regardless of what country they live in.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2013, 10:38:53 PM »

The following can be copied and posted above stories.  Add, delete or modify as necessary to fit your particular story.

WARNING!    You must be 18 or over to read these stories of rape and non-consensual sex.  This particular story features characters under the age of 18.  If you do not like such stories, please stop reading. This story is all fiction and no characters in it are meant to resemble any real person.  If you do not understand the difference between reality and fantasy, read no more. Rape is a heinous crime and the penalty is many years in prison. The people who commit rape are despised everywhere. No one is being hurt, and this is pure fantasy.  In addition, although persons of distinct nationalities, ethnicities, cultures or religions may be portrayed, no offense is meant to anyone.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2013, 01:27:51 AM »

Anybody who writes or reads a story about an underage girl being raped is a paedophile! Regardless of what country they live in.

I'll be right there on board with you, as soon as you can explain why "18" is the magic number of years old, when "underage" becomes "of-age". 

Meanwhile, if a girl [interesting, by the way, that you are being gender-specific] is raped by a guy when she is 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds old, the damn rapist son-of-a-bitch is a "paedophile"; yet if he'd only waited ONE MORE SECOND, he'd be a respectable rapist of an adult woman!

What if there was a Leap Year involved?

What if they were on a ship, crossing the international date line at the time of the rape?
It would really, honestly matter WHICH DIRECTION the ship was pointed in?

Add to that, the fact that "18", as random, pulled-out-of-someone's ass, ages go, "18" is, well, ridiculous.
Mother Nature declares that women are sexually viable for reproduction at the age of menstruation.  Which almost always occurs before age 18.
They can drive at age 15 or 16.  Operate farm machinery at 14. Drink at 21. Qualify for better car insurance rates at 25. Retire at, well, many different ages.

What's the ONE other thing they can do exclusively at 18?
Enlist in the military to fight and die for their country.

Odd, innit?  That they can be killed in combat, AND raped--rather than just molested--at exactly the same age...

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2013, 03:34:41 AM »

I see a lot of members have found a way around the rules by posting "true" events of their past rather than outright kiddie erotic tales.....

Lois posted that the law says its ok in the US but that doesn't stop those reasonable adults (sorry Ray) from being grossed out because its obviously just a way to share stories of children, something we don't need to debate.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 06:36:02 AM »

... just a way to share stories of children, something we don't need to debate.
Do we not need to debate it because, in your opinion, it is self-evidently wrong, or because it isn't?

In my country the age of consent for marriage is 16.  If I write a humorous story about the wedding night of two children of just 16, both virgins, marrying because the parents wish to bring their respective companies closer together, does that make it paedophilia?

And a small analogy:
If reading about rape of 12 year olds makes the reader more likely to perform an actual rape of a 12 year old, and therefor such stories should be banned, why are detective novels allowed, because obviously reading about murder makes the reader more likely to perform an actual murder.

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 12:17:45 PM »

Slut-Wife Susan doesn't care for me much, but that doesn't stop her from bringing up an interesting topic from time to time.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


I see a lot of members have found a way around the rules by posting "true" events of their past rather than outright kiddie erotic tales.....

Lois posted that the law says its ok in the US but that doesn't stop those reasonable adults (sorry Ray) from being grossed out because its obviously just a way to share stories of children, something we don't need to debate.

A "No minors having sex in written fiction" rule IS silly.
It's worse than silly, it's an affront to free speech.
It's worse than an affront to free speech, it's an affront to free speech in the name of "the children".
The same children that devour 3/4 of my property tax.
The same children that will eventually cost me my right to bear arms.

Have you met any of these little bastards? 
There must be an antedote for them. A cure.
"PLAN B" in the water supply, perhaps?
Or if it's too expensive, it could be better targeted if put in the alcohol supply, I guess.

A more reasonable approach might be limiting child bearing privileges ONLY to parents who can afford them.
It works that way in nature. And it is only our interference with nature that has allowed underparented human offspring to thrive.

Meanwhile, it's 1st amendment GONE; 2nd amendment GOING.
When the entire Bill of Rights is dead and buried, "We did it for the children" will be inscribed on the tombstone.

Still, kiddy-fucking is universally frowned upon except by Catholics, who show by their actions that they actively condone it.  Writing about kiddy fucking, or depicting it in images is also almost universally stomach-turning and considered wrong. But as usual, putting dunderheaded gov'mint bureaucrats in charge of things results in ridiculous measures of enforcement. [citation:  Drug War--also waged "for the children".]

THEREFORE, to keep The University from being shut down, a ban on all things related to kiddy-fucking IS reasonable here.
As reasonable as a ban on threatening The President.   It doesn't matter whether you like kiddy-fucking or not; and it doesn't matter whether you like The President or not:
These are two of the very, very few acceptable, permissible limits on free speech.

They are not the same as telling me I can't say "I'd like to punch Sue in the cunt."

Another thing that makes these limits tolerable is the ease with which they can be circumvented.
I AM allowed to say "I wish President Obama would get Lou Gehrig's disease."

And yes, as Slut-Wife Susan points out, women like Mcevin can post their real-life experiences with dastardly security guards.
Likewise, I'm free to write "Young Shoplifter and the Mean Security Guard" http://ravishu.com/forums/index.php?topic=1035.0 , from which many people will infer an underage victim (at least until the Surprise Ending!)
In BOTH cases, people are free to be offended and or disgusted. OR aroused. Regardless of how the writer wishes they would react.

The mind of each individual reader is free to interpret the scene set by the artist.
Those who like incest can believe that Dick and Jane are brother and sister.
Those into bestiality can believe that Spot is not just a dog, but a horn-dog.
Easier still:  Mentally assigning ages to any or all characters.
If I write "Carly drove to the mall, and was raped there..."
YOU may read "Carly skipped to the playground, and was raped there...."

Easy as hairpie.
(with or without the hair.)

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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 03:59:03 PM »

Mainstream fiction is full of scenes depicting underage girls having sex or being raped.  These authors make the best sellers list and get praise for their work.  Is the problem that the primary focus of some stories here, is these scenes, rather than making them a sidebar to the main story?  I'm quite sure the mainstream fiction authors know there are people out there that are turned on by their 'sidebars' and put them there for that reason.  I guess when I write, it's often just a bunch of these sidebars strung together?

Recently I find myself agreeing here and there with Ray.  I'm not sure what to make of that other than his analogy of the broken clock being right twice a day.  I came really close on more than one occasion to putting Ray on ignore as so many have, however I actually did put Susan on ignore where she will stay.

Ray, you amuse me upon occasion.  Sometimes I read just a few lines and leave disgusted, but every once in a while I read the whole thing, even though the all bold still hurts my eyes.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 04:13:48 PM »

What can I say, Jed.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 08:54:44 PM »

Charmbrights:

Sorry, I thought it was obvious that I was not referencing a beautiful union like marriage, which involves (usually) 2 consenting parties of similar capacity and decision making ability.

 Maybe we must be reminded why those who prey on the young are locked away. You reference (and poorly at that) marriage laws being slightly different as a justification for child sex in entertainment?

 Those prize winning novels don't likely have the readers stroking their cocks imagining the scenes of adult on child sex, at least I hope


Didn't I say "reasonable"?

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Please dont tell me this group is so naive that we only consider that readers place themselves in the role of the child during child/adult sex scenes?
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2013, 02:57:29 AM »

Sorry, I thought it was obvious that I was not referencing a beautiful union like marriage, which involves (usually) 2 consenting parties of similar capacity and decision making ability.
In my story, set in 1851, they are too uninformed about sex to give informed consent;  they are merely obeying their parents.


Those prize winning novels don't likely have the readers stroking their cocks imagining the scenes of adult on child sex, at least I hope
So people read Nabokov's Lolita for the descriptions of the scenery through which they drive?
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 03:28:43 PM »

The same argument against stories containing children having sex, that if you like it must mean that you want to go out and rape a child, and that you probably will is very sensible...except, well if you extrapolate that to the fullest sense of it's own logic, anyone who likes incest stories must be banging their mother/ father/ brother/ sister (delete as applicable) and I have written a story where a 18 year old gets raped by a pizza delivery driver...does that mean that I am going to go and out rape a girl while dressed like someone from Pizza Hut?...If you do believe that then boy oh boy are you on the wrong fetish site...

Now underage sex is not my thing, but considering the story I am working on contains a former teenage runaway and ex prostitute, well it does give me some freedom in the writing.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2014, 09:10:59 PM »

Wow - should have checked this out earlier.  I deliberately left out the ages of the boys in my story, "Making Mommy my Cock Slut"  - the original private or non-post version the boys are 13 years old and are the rapists (13 year old boy invites his best friend to join in on his Mommy Rape Party).  Guess this means I can edit the story now to my original version?  I have a real strong fetish with boy on Woman Rape, especially if the woman in question is the boy's hot Mommy  Evil


"Anybody who writes or reads a story about an underage girl being raped is a paedophile! Regardless of what country they live in."

And simply NO on this one... its like saying because I also read the original Dexter novel it makes me and anyone else that read the book a serial killer...
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2014, 11:23:16 AM »

The Dexter comment is a good point, it's only written porn that seems to bring this kind of argument out in people...
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2014, 01:35:46 PM »

It's also important to note, for the writers of bestiality stories, that the common 1:7 ratio of people-to-dog years is slightly off.

Here is an online calculator.  http://www.onlineconversion.com/dogyears.htm

...just don't want to see anybody get busted for having underage dogs in their stories.

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