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« on: March 10, 2010, 02:03:44 PM »

I saw this question in BrooklynOx's FAQ thread below. I think it is brilliant question, and one worthy of discussion.

Can you really trust a man who is into rape fantasy? Can you trust someone who may be strongly influenced by their balls, and who's main desire is to take you with force. It is potentially a heinous crime, comparable to a serious physical assault. Would you trust a guy who enjoyed the idea of beating the shit out of you? So why trust a guy who wants to rape you?

I honestly don't know the answer to the question. Now, personally, I think I am a good guy. I treat people with respect. I feel remorse when people suffer and I feel guilt if I wrong someone. These emotions stop me from doing harm to people. But I am still a guy, so I think about sex a lot. I look at women in a sexual context, and that context often involves raping them.

So can you trust me? Obviously, since I am a stranger to you, you CANNOT trust me at all yet, but could you ever? And if you can answer that question, it may be interesting to note that 1% of all people are psychopaths. Psychopaths lack feelings of empathy. If you combine rape fantasy with psychopathy, surely you have potential for a real rapist?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 02:26:12 PM »

So, is a stranger able to trust a man who says he is into rape fantasy?  Ostensibly "no".  Possibly "yes".   Whether a person will or not is dependent on many factors.
A few of the factors contributing to trust are:
*- Method of meeting
*- How much you tell her about yourself
*- How you tell her about ravishment / rape fantasy
*- The chemistry between you
*- The weather that day
*- Many more

Scenario 1:
You meet for coffee via a respectable online personals sight such as "match.com".  It's a miserable rainy day and there really is not much chemistry between you.  In the first 30 minutes you tell her you harbor dark rape fantasies
Negative outcome


Scenario 2:
You meet via an alternative lifestyles web site.  It is a bright and sunny day and the chemistry between you is off the scale.  You ask if she is aware of "ravishment".  You explain it is consensual role play where "you resist, I over power you".
Probable outcome: Sounds like fun.  We can try it after we build mutual trust


I think you see my point.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 05:12:05 PM »

>Can you really trust a man who is into rape fantasy? Can you trust someone who may be strongly influenced by their balls, and who's main desire is to take you with force. It is potentially a heinous crime, comparable to a serious physical assault.

Presumably, the people who are called upon to "trust a man who is into rape fantasy", are women who enjoy, or at the very least don't mind the idea of being raped by such a man.  And for them, being raped by this man is NOT "a potetially heinous crime" and certainly not "comparable to a serious physical assault."

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 04:40:43 AM »

>Can you really trust a man who is into rape fantasy? Can you trust someone who may be strongly influenced by their balls, and who's main desire is to take you with force. It is potentially a heinous crime, comparable to a serious physical assault.

Presumably, the people who are called upon to "trust a man who is into rape fantasy", are women who enjoy, or at the very least don't mind the idea of being raped by such a man.  And for them, being raped by this man is NOT "a potetially heinous crime" and certainly not "comparable to a serious physical assault."

--Ray
I agree, if both parties enjoy it then of course there can be lots of trust, but if one party is not interested then more than likely there could be no trust.

I like being over powered and taken. I get off much more enjoyably then 'normal' sex!!  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 08:18:40 AM »

Yeah, I was chatting with someone, and we decided that was the key too. It depends if the other party gets off on your fantasy, or not.

If they find it a turn on, to think you're fantasizing about raping them, it'll be easier for them to trust you. It's no worse than someone sitting there thinking about fucking you normally ... assuming you find them attractive. If you disclose your fantasy to someone who isn't into that sort of thing, or strongly opposed to it, I think it could cause a lot of friction. If a woman isn't turned on by the idea of being raped, THEN it's probably akin to sitting there thinking about beating the shit out of her.

Ahh well. Not really learnt anything new there then. Grin Same old obviously "Dont just tell any old woman you want to rape her" advice. So much for an insightful discussion.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2010, 04:43:11 AM »

I joined just to post in this thread because this is something I think about quite a lot.
My arguments here might be a little worn, but it obviously depends on how much you know the guy in the first place and whether or not you'd consider him a threat.
Would I trust my partner/husband? Of course. But I'm guessing that that's not exactly what you're asking. The problem here is: I haven't had many long-term partners, I don't have many male friends (and certainly none I would share these thoughts with), and I would not trust someone I barely know -- which is the most probable scenario.
It is something that particularly rings home with me because I meet guys on the internet for no-strings sex (I'm married, but in an open-relationship). I told the last man I was with about my rape fantasy which was really bloody stupid. We'd previously chatted on MSN, but besides this had only met face-to-face once for a drink. Lovely family man (they all are. . . ), but then of course, who really knows? And of course once the cat is out of the bag, what will my defense be?
There was a case here in Melbourne (not forced sex, but swinging, which is perhaps in the same vein?) where millionaire businessman Herman Rockefeller was murdered by a couple who posed as swingers. What I am saying is it opens a whole can of worms -- things that are perhaps shameful and you certainly don't want the public to be made aware of.
 And of course the media just LOVES smut like this. What if something WERE to happen. What if there was someone just WAITING for all the girls with rape fantasies . . .
My answer unfortunately is "no". I would not trust a man who is into rape fantasy.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2010, 04:50:41 AM »

I'm going to have to back peddle here. After re-reading the original post, I figure you're asking "no matter how much you're in love with a man are you comfortable with the fact that he fantasizes about raping you".
I still stand by my last answer if it were to a different question . . .
but to this question I answer "yes". definitely. my husband wants to rape me -- that's fine. I liked to be pushed to my limits. It's fantasy after all isn't it . . .
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2010, 08:59:47 AM »

Feel free to argue both sides of it!

For myself, the answer is a resounding YES!  I understand the difference between fantasy role-play and real rape.  The whole domination / forced sex thing is simply a fun fetish, and it's nothing I obsess over.  It's not a criminal act if it's consensual.

Unless I'd met someone on a site like >THIS< or an alternate dating site like CollarMe / Bondage.com, it'd be several dates before I'd get around to discussing it with someone; I'd first want to get a feel for whether they were even basically interested.  By then, we'd have either built a basic rapport or we'd already be going our separate ways.  The 'trust' question cuts both ways... do you trust me to NOT rape you, and do I trust you to NOT report 'play rape' to the cops as 'real rape'.

Virtually everyone >here< knows the difference, and is at least somewhat trustworthy.  Some random guy/gal you meet on Craig's List?  Not so much.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2010, 09:16:08 AM »

Interesting thread. Yes, I believe it is possible to trust a man with a rape fantasy...provided..you know him well enough to discern that he is of sound mind and able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. You also need to know him well enough to be sure that he will respect you and your boundaries. It's a very difficult fantasy to entertain..and not one, in my opinion, to be done casually.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2010, 11:29:43 PM »

Yes, men with rape fantasies can be trusted.  Can you trust a man (or woman) that does not know the difference between fantasy and reality?  Now there's a no.

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 10:12:23 AM »

ya  I'm a man  i understand why u would be worded. Mist of the time we Just wont to feal big and big and scary we aren't going to relay hurt you unless you wont us to
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