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THE UNIVERSITY => Extracurricular Studies => Topic started by: wolverinefan on January 02, 2007, 02:37:37 AM
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Someone please explain to me the definition of friendship..I don't call someone a friend unless I mean it..People have this idea that you have online friends and offline friends..Maybe I'm all screwed up..But if I call you a friend then I mean that..I'll go to bat for you..I'll watch your back..Hell I give you the shirt off mine.
A lot of people tell me I need to seperate my online persona from my real self..I'm sorry..I haven't learned how to do that yet. What you see with me is what you get. I've always been honest and upfront with all my friends. I'd never hurt any of my friends intentionally. If someone where to hurt you..I would stand with you and support you..Not turn my back or delibrately hurt you further..
Does this make ANY sense to anyone but me?...Let me know.
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I do not see any difference between an online friend and an offline friend. Like in old days, we have penpals. Now penpals may be in the brink of extinction and we have e-friends. For some, they cannot regard e-friends as friends whereas for others it is a possibility. Most of the time we are e-friends because the distance is too great for us to come into physical contact with each other.
One thing about online is the boundaries are wider. That's all and especially in site like this, we are partyly in fantasy world. Up to us to draw the line between fantasy and e-life/friendship though.
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I couldn't agree more FF..Thanks for the responce and good analogy.. I had hoped that some people considered frriendships real online..I do..If I call you a friend..Bank on it. I just wish everyone was like that as well..Not that I'm perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm loyal to my friends..Offline and ON..
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Friends are friends no matter what. The difference with online friends is that they might not be who they pretend to be. If you accept that, all is well.
I had a girl buddy once that turned out being a guy. It didn't bother me one bit because his intentions were just to avoid the typical male/female bullshit. I've since learned lots of guys pretend to be women so they don't have to deal with bullshit. One guy I know pretends to be a female when gaming so he can get into games easier, and not have to deal with abuse from other guys when he wins.
Now if he did it to deceive me for the sake of deceiving me - that is different. That is not a "friendly" thing to do.
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Friends are friends no matter what. The difference with online friends is that they might not be who they pretend to be. If you accept that, all is well.
I had a girl buddy once that turned out being a guy. It didn't bother me one bit because his intentions were just to avoid the typical male/female bullshit. I've since learned lots of guys pretend to be women so they don't have to deal with bullshit. One guy I know pretends to be a female when gaming so he can get into games easier, and not have to deal with abuse from other guys when he wins.
Now if he did it to deceive me for the sake of deceiving me - that is different. That is not a "friendly" thing to do.
I agree Emily..Friends should be friends..Although I never pretended to be anything I wasn't..I was so naive I didn't even know I was supposed to..But I think true friends should be there for one another through thick and thin..I'd never betray mine.. If someone was to hurt them..They've hurt me as well..I guess I'm just old fashioned or something..You think?
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A friend is someone who wants to help. At least I believe that..A true friend will take your feelings into consideration on ALL things. It's a lot easier to say that your friends with someone..Than to show them the respect and trust that they've earned sometimes I guess. Respect..Important in every aspect of relationships, as well as trust..Whether it be your best friend or your spouse.
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I was trying to think of another word for it and I believe I got it. We do not share everything with all opur friends. Some likes to play golf and we play golf together and other than golf, we hardly even think of each other. Some will not describe as friends but more specifically, golf mates. Here, we are something like playmates as this fantasy game is what we all enjoy and this is the place where we can play together. Generally, still categorised as friends though.
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I think everyone has pretty much the same definition of "friend", Wolvie, but as I was saying last night in IM, there are levels of friendship. There are, as you noted, aquaintences, and then there are friends such as you're describing...the kind that stand with you through thick and thin. And then there are, I believe, people who start out as one and gradually evolve into the other.
A good friendship based on trust that is built aver a short time can be rewarding and beneficial , a lot though depends on the individuals involved and how they build it into something , a longterm friendship that extends into real life and bonds them as friends for life .
(Note...the above is just a quote, and I'm back to addressing WF, here:)
The key here is that a friendship is built, and a bond is forged over time. As admirable as it is for you to feel so fiercely protective and loyal toward your friends the moment you make them, not everyone (in fact, I'd say most everyone does not) can claim that so quickly. It often takes years to build up that amount of trust and loyalty, and I'll say again that even though most everyone agrees on what a "friend" is, you can't really hold everyone else up to the same standards you have about how long that takes, or to what degree they should reciprocate in that amount of time.
*hug*
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With respect Take me girl you do not know me and my friends do , they know when i say something i mean exactly what i say no matter what ! . I agree it does take time , so what do you think i have been doing for over a year , peeling potatoes , not so ,, Again with respect you are not me and i am certainly not you ,, i do not hold them up to the same standards as everyone else , they are individuals in their own right ..
Again you have not read the thread ,, i said i was not looking for anything in return ,for my friendship ,, rather it is those involved who will show this to me and have ,, i already have friends i know i can trust ,, and again with respect ,, you do not know me or my friends like i do ,, you might think diferently if you did take the time ..
I do not mean at face value but as you say over time i have got to know certain people and i do trust them , i hope they trust me ,, i believe they do and my stance is there , i wont change my mind or any statements ,, Wolvie , you have to take your time to build real friendships , it depends on as i said the individuals involved and how they build that friendship ...
Whoa! Okay...perhaps I should have clarified that I was still talking to Wolverinefan? I quoted you to make a point, but was not addressing you. I apologize if that was unclear. I was not judging you, claiming to know you, or making any assertions about your life. I was simply responding to Wolverinefan's post.
I can see how you might have mistakenly believed I was addressing you, however, so I'll not be offended by the claims that I didn't take the time to read the thread. ;)
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it wasn't too long ago that i experienced a personal tradgedy- and i came to a New understanding of what friendship means, at least to Me. my online friends were every bit as supportive and concerned as the friends that are here, where i live. they did everything that long-distance friends did (those friends i occasionally talk to on the telephone). there's n ot that much difference there. i always thought it would be difficult to call someone i've never actually physically Met a friend- but my thoughts changed afterwards. i felt that even though they didn't even really Know me, that if i had asked, i could have gone to visit any one of them.
i guess what i'm saying is that a Support System is just That, no matter how it begins or what form it takes. my rw friends are very security concious. they caution me constantly about providing personal information to people i've never met. i'm very torn between the two. i hate having to keep a distance between us.
but it goes back to my chidhood and a story i was told once:
"why did you sting me?" asked the man.
"because That's what i Do," said the Bee.
so i'm Trying to convince myself that just because i meet someone at a fantasy rape site that it's really No different from meeting them at another site- but it scares me and confuses me...
sorry 'bout all the rambling. i guess i'd like an answer to all this myself...
mikki
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Regarding online vs. real life friends...I can say that I've got a number of real life friends who started out as online friends. I've visited them, hung out with them, gone places with them...even to Europe with one of my oldest. And I look forward to making more. ::): You just have to be discerning and careful about who you trust. Your security-conscious friends aren't wrong...you definitely need to take care. But there are plenty of good people to be found. ::):
For instance, I make it a practice never to axe murder any of my online friends. *g*
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Totally off topic, how come the typical colon + ) = : over here? And ::): = two colons, a ), and another colon ?
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Regarding online vs. real life friends...I can say that I've got a number of real life friends who started out as online friends. I've visited them, hung out with them, gone places with them...even to Europe with one of my oldest. And I look forward to making more. ::): You just have to be discerning and careful about who you trust. Your security-conscious friends aren't wrong...you definitely need to take care. But there are plenty of good people to be found. ::):
For instance, I make it a practice never to axe murder any of my online friends. *g*
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Totally off topic, how come the typical colon + ) = : over here? And ::): = two colons, a ), and another colon ?
Ditto about the on-off line friends. And I am soooo glad you don't axe-murder ANYONE. As for the off topic stuff, hellifino.
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Ditto about the on-off line friends. And I am soooo glad you don't axe-murder ANYONE. As for the off topic stuff, hellifino.
Heh...I don't recall saying "anyone". *g*
;)
Alas...there've been plenty of people I *wished* I could axe murder. *sigh*
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For instance, I make it a practice never to axe murder any of my online friends. *g*
Suddenly I'm not looking forward to visiting you QUITE so much!
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Aww, it's okay, honey. Lovers are exempt in any case. :angel:
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I think friendship is not making friends choose between friends!
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A friend will bail you out of jail. A real friend will be right there beside you laughing, "wow that was fun!"
A friend will help you move. A real friend will help you move a body!
(call me if you need help TakeMeGirl!)
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A friend will bail you out of jail. A real friend will be right there beside you laughing, "wow that was fun!"
A friend will help you move. A real friend will help you move a body!
(call me if you need help TakeMeGirl!)
Hehee!
And hey...am I postwhoring enough for you? *g*
Seriously...just tell me to stop if it's annoying. lol. I'm mostly just trying to play to corinthian's ingrained, male sense of competition (i.e. the fear of being outdone by anyone *g*).
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Laughs
I think you are doing just great TMG! I was referring to my statement about a real friend would help you move a body and your axe murderer comment!
I am really glad you are here!
*hugs*
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Oh! lol...I thought you meant to call you if I needed help with corinthian. *g*
And thank you. :D
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LOL! I know you can handle Corinthian. I'll help you with the axe victims!! LOL If you don't have a list going, I do :angel:
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lol...oh, I have a list, all right. ;D
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*hopes he isn't on this list* *grimace* :)
lol...oh, I have a list, all right. ;D
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I think friendship is not making friends choose between friends!
A real friend shouldn't have to choose..Right SD?
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There are friends and then...... there are friends....
Real life friends, penpals, online friends, it's all about a gut feeling and the trust that you develop. t's the trust to me that defines true friendship.
There are those I would call friends in my day to day life that I wouldn't trust with personal details. They're still friends, we have a great time together but there is the question of my privacy which I don't cross. There are those who know every little thing there is to know about me. They're also friends....
There are those I know on the soon to be recovered RC site that I would trust totally. I've looked beyond the name of the site and actually looked at the people that contribute and the worth and values that they bring to it. would trust a couple of people here more than I would at a site of the Southern Australia Cross Stitching Association chat room. :D
I've been blessed to talk to some lovely people on this site and there are those I'd love to get to know a lot better.
I'm not quite sure where I'm going with my comments but I hope ya'll get the general meaning. ::):
AAA
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Ditto about the on-off line friends. And I am soooo glad you don't axe-murder ANYONE. As for the off topic stuff, hellifino.
Heh...I don't recall saying "anyone". *g*
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Alas...there've been plenty of people I *wished* I could axe murder. *sigh*
I've never had much urge to axe-murder. Now strangle? There are some folks I get the urge to strangle. ;D
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Oh! lol...I thought you meant to call you if I needed help with corinthian. *g*
And thank you. :D
LOL! I know you can handle Corinthian. I'll help you with the axe victims!! LOL If you don't have a list going, I do :angel:
Handle me!? Thats it, I'm gonna give you both some thing to handle! :P
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Is it over five inches?
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hmm, perhaps I should post it for everyone to see? I did on RC but then it crashed.
I don't think the forum could handle the weight of it!
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Don't you post that damn thing on my thread corinthian...This is about friendship and a male friend doesn't post his tally whacker on another guys thread...Still I can be thankfull I do have some true friends right?
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hehe, ok wolvie, I'm your mate, no pics in this thread.
Sorry ladies!
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Heh. Tally Whacker? *g*
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hehe, ok wolvie, I'm your mate, no pics in this thread.
Sorry ladies!
*Whew*..You da man..and a true friend I'm proud to say..Do you give lessons?
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Whats tally whacker ???????? Wolvie
LOL..His penis. V..Just a redneck hick a fied way of saying it..
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On a more serious note, I don't expect my friends to be perfect.
When I was in college, I had two friends that could not stand each other. Jeff was one. Jeff was Gay, loud, boisterous, and often pompous. Andrew kept pointing out Jeff's faults to me and asking me if I agreed. I agreed that Jeff had many faults. But that was not enough for Andrew. He could not understand how I could still be friends with Jeff considering Jeff's faults.
Later Andrew felt he had to give me an ultimatum, to stop being friends with Jeff or he would no longer be my friend. So I told Andrew "good-bye".
I miss Andrew, but friends don't give ultimatums like that!
As for Jeff, I've never expected my friends to be perfect. Besides Jeff was always more fun than Andrew, because he never brooded and fussed about other people all the time. After all these years, Jeff and I are still friends. I even attended his sister's wedding in October.
As for Andrew, that would never have happened because he hates his sister. In fact he is critical of everyone. I am not sorry for my choice.
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Friends don't play the "I don't like her anymore, so you can't play with her and be my friend" game. At least not after the third grade.
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Hey Tom..Friends stand by each other and get each others backs..SOME people may not understand that..Fortunately there are some that do.. If the shoe were on the other foot I would love to hear YOUR side of things then "friend".
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Now Emily , dont tell me it was all just the boys ,, i know girls play a game like this as well ,, some would say girls are worse ,,, true ??
AMEN Violator..and Emily I agree with not giving ultimatums..But firends should respect each other without the need for ultimatums..
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I read most of the thread and agree with it. Firiends are friends. have seen some on here (Not this site) that have told me that they do not keep in contact with their friends from years ago. Or some stop when they get married or into a relationship. cannot see stopping a friendship because your significant other does not consider them a friend. t is YOUR friend before you met!
If I am able I will be there for my friend whenever they need me.
Just like the friends I have formed here and at RC..I intend to keep them. All of you are special and just would not know what to do without you guys and gals.
You folks are my heart..some more than others.. :emot_kiss.gif: :emot_kiss.gif:
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Friends don't play the "I don't like her anymore, so you can't play with her and be my friend" game. At least not after the third grade.
Yo dude, it ain't about "playing" with anyone. there is more to it than that. Wolverine told you what the deal was, this thing went deeper than just this online shit.
We are talking actual conversation and interaction. f it had been just something left online Tom, that would have been different and no biggie.
But u evidently don't seem to realize this or want to realize it. f Wolvie is one of your boyz shouldn't you get his back? The way I understand it, you guys have been "buds" for a while...right?
We have a code Wolvie and I...We ride together...We die together- We got each others back...and that's how we roll.
Later Man-
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Where'd everybody go? The fun just started..Truth stings a bit don't it?
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If I understand this, you guys are telling me that if I told Wolvie that ThckBlk10 hurt me, that Wolvie would sever ties with ThckBlk10?
Is that right?
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Friends don't play the "I don't like her anymore, so you can't play with her and be my friend" game. At least not after the third grade.
Thank you,Tom for GETTING IT.
Well,since I've been dragged through the crap for (scrolls back) most of the day,I guess I should share MY side.
Wolverinefan,each time I would interact with one person you would send me messages "warning" me about them.I replied REPEATEDLY that I'm just having fun,and that's what these sites are about.
Nevertheless,you would do the same thing each time we would interact (or the persons name even mentioned) in a thread/post.I always replied the same way until your last messages.
Like I told you,if YOU have a problem with someone else,then YOU have that problem with them.I am here to have fun,and I'm not going to 'blacklist' or otherwise ignore ANY member here who I want to talk or play with simply because YOU don't like them.
And this very long,sobbing thread is just sad.I may be a lot of things,but a bad friend I am not.For THAT description,maybe a look in the mirror would come in handy.
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OK.. Since we're going to drag this shit all out into the open (thanks again ynyn..What a pal..) That's ok..Cause I never got to tell my side of the story anyway..Tried that once..Got me banned for 3 days..Yeah you can call me Raymond jr..Everyone knows I'm a troublemaker..But lets get real then shall we?? Everyone knows my tale with a certain member on the board..I'll not mention her name (why I have no idea, Everyone knows anyway..) But she hurt me BADLY..Not fake, not fantasy..REAL..She was talking about marrying me and having me a son..To make this God aweful story short she played with my emotions and kicked me to the curb..Bleeding badly I looked to my "So-called" friends and was basically stonewalled..Every single one of my closest friends turned on me..Now several friends (Because I am a friend they will remain nameless) have even Pm me and told me that they were sorry about not believeing me, and they've found out something I said were true)..But does it stop..NO..MY friends still treat her like the cats meow..My male friends take great pride in shoving her in my face knowing how badlys she's hurt me..and the ladies are just as bad by coddling her..I though friendship meant something..I guess I was wrong..
So yes I do warn my male friends of what she done to me..I don't want to see my friends get hurt. (and let me tell you something ynyn..I fight for my friends so say what you will. ) And Jasmine ThckBlk10 is a true friend..A real friend that I've know most of my life..We grew up together..I know he wouldn't do anything to hurt you..The arguement I get from everyone on this is "she'll hang herself eventually by doing it again." My reply to that is. Isn't my word and friendship enough..She has to hurt someother poor slob before anyone listens..I don't want her banned..I don't care what she does..I just wish my friends would have stood by me and respected my feelings..IF it was done to one of you..Do you really think for one minute that I would be her/his best friend. IF so you don't know me very well.
But its ok..Wolverinefan is about done..You appearantly don't give a rat's ass for me or my feelings..So if I'm fucking up the karma around here I can bow out gracefully..Tom..I'm not going to lie..You hurt brother..Out of every online friend. I've know you the longest..We supported each other on another site and even was there for each others first stories..Jasmine, I wouldn't have believed it..ynyn. I haven't know you as long but I thought the *comedy club* was strong..Thanks for showing me the true meaning of friendship..I know a lot of you won't see it my way..Most of you have never even tried..I've given you guys everything I've had since I've been on these sites..My support, my friendship, and my passion..So as you all say..keep having your FUN at my expense..I hope you all have a great time..
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Now Emily , dont tell me it was all just the boys ,, i know girls play a game like this as well ,, some would say girls are worse ,,, true ??
AMEN Violator..and Emily I agree with not giving ultimatums..But firends should respect each other without the need for ultimatums..
Very, very true. I don't think Andrew really respected me at all. He just wanted me to stop talking to Jeff because he knew it would hurt Jeff. I don't think his feelings for me were involved at all.
Unfortunately I was left with a no-win situation.
In another situation I trusted a "friend" to be my safety monitor on a rape date. I learned very quickly he was no friend.
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I do not know fully what is going on, just replying to what I have read. I have not read all of the thread as I mentioned before. This is just my input.
When I have close friends that are male and female and they become involved and they break up, I remain friends with them...both of them.
Now when I am with a friend and introduced to someone and find they get on my nerves, I do not expect my friend to end their friendship with them because I do not get along with them...and vice versa.
They also know that I will not lie for them to get them out of trouble(murder, stealing, etc) I am not going to jail for no body!
When I moved here, bf and his daughter in law were seriously butting heads. I met and like his daughter in law as well as the rest of his family. He kept saying what a fuciking ding-bat she is and she just 'does not have a fucking clue'. She is that but I still like her. He kept saying, it is all going to come to a head and wanted me to side with him. I told him "I love you and like your daughter in law alot. But DO NOT ask me to take sides or try to put me in the middle of this. This is between you and daughter in law. I am not taking sides!"
Same goes with my friends. I may not do what they do, have the same religion is, drink, etc. But if I have a friendship with them and want me to take sides..no. I will not get in the middle of their disputes. They have to work them out their selves. If someone harasses me to the point where they give me an ultimatum of either "them or me" it will be both. would watch tv and see to guys fighting over one girl and she is standing nearby watching and enjoying this. Not me. If two men turn to violence to 'win me', then I do not want either one of them.
I will support my friends in whatever decisions they make, be proud of their accompishments, be there when they need a shoulder to cry on and an ears for listening, and love them for who they are.
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now baby, you Know that i Am your friend- and i Know you have Never treated me with Anything But Courtesy and Respect, unlike So Many Others i have met. i Hate t that you're having a bad time. i only wish i Knew what to say. i'm oblivious to Most of what you're talking about, although i once recieved a message asking if had ever had problems with you. i replied that i most certainly had not and pretty much, that was the end of that.
i Think that there is more to this story than meets the eye...
i'll Be here for you no matter When Where or How.
You have My word on That.
Love,
mikki
OK.. Since we're going to drag this shit all out into the open (thanks agaian ynyn..What a pal..) That's ok..Cause I never got to tell my side of the story anyway..Tried that once..Got me banned for 3 days..Yeah you can call me Raymond jr..Everyone knows I'm a troublemaker..But lets get real then shall we?? Everyone knows my tale with a certain memeber on the board..I'll not mention her name (why I have no idea, Everyone knows anyway..) But she hurt me BADLY..Not fake, not fantasy..REAL..She was talking about marrying me and having me a son..To make this God aweful story short she played with my emotions and kicked me to the curb..Bleeding badly I looked to my "So-called" friends and was basically stonewalled..Every single one of my closest friends turned on me..Now several friends (Because I am a friend they will remain nameless) have even Pm me and told me that they were sorry about not believeing me, and they've found out something I said were true)..But does it stop..NO..MY friends still treat her like the cats meow..My male friends take great pride in shoving her in my face knowing how badlys she's hurt me..and the ladies are just as bad by coddling her..I though friendship meant something..I guess I was wrong..
So yes I do warn my male friends of what she done to me..I don't want to see my friends get hurt. (and let me tell you something ynyn..I fight for my friends so say what you will. ) And Jasmine ThckBlk10 is a true friend..A real friend that I've know most of my life..We grew up together..I know he wouldn't do anything to hurt you..The arguement I get from everyone on this is "she'll hang herself eventually by doing it again." My reply to that is isn't my word and friendship enough..She has to hurt someother poor slob before anyone listens..I don't want her banned..I don't care what she does..I just wish my friends would have stood by me and respected my feelings..IF it was done to one of you..Do you really think for one minute that I would be thier best friend. IF so you don't know me very well.
But its ok..Wolverinefan is about done..You appearantly don't give a rat's ass for me or my feelings..So if I'm fucking up the karma around here I can bow out gracefully..Tom..I'm not going to lie..You hurt brother..Out of every online friend I've know you the longest..We supported each other on another site and even was there for each others first stories..Jasmine I wouldn't have believed it..ynyn. I haven't know as long but I thought the *comedy club* was strong..Thanks for showing me the true meaning of friendship..I know a lot of you won't see it my way..Most of you have never even tried..I've given you guys everything I've had since I've been on these sites..My support, my friendship, and my passion..So as you all say..keep having your FUN at my expense..I hope you all have a great time..
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Thanks Mikki..At least someone will stand with me..
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well, Wolfie, you finally pissed me off. I'm sick and tired of you're whining that I've betrayed you or spit in your face. You're behaving like a spoiled child. Do you really think you are the only one here who has had a relationship end badly?
You have made it very plain that your idea of friendship is using your existing friends as weapons to hurt a third party. Because someone hurt you you insist that eveyone else who knows you sever all contact with this person. That is not friendship. Trying to use your friends that way is childish, wrong, and frankly a little twisted.
As for your friend TB10, don't lecture me "on having someone's back" I've been in situations a bit more intense than online chat rooms, and never let anyone down.
Just let it go, you're embarrisng yourself
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*wanders in singing*
Never knew I could feel like this
Like I've never seen the sky before
I want to vanish inside your kiss
Every day i'm loving you more than this
Listen to my heart, can you hear it sings
Telling me to give you everything
Seasons may change, winter to spring
But I love you until the end of time
Chorus:
Come what may
Come what may
I will love you until my dying day
Suddenly the world seems such a perfect place
Suddenly it moves with such a perfect grace
Suddenly my life doesn't seem such a waste
It all revolves around you
And there's no mountain too high
No river too wide
Sing out this song I'll be there by your side
Storm clouds may gather
And stars may collide
But I love you until the end of time
Oh, come what may, come what may
I will love you, I will love you
Suddenly the world seems such a perfect place
*reads through posts......* *sigh* Wanders off again.....
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well, Wolfie, you finally pissed me off. I'm sick and tired of you're whining that I've betrayed you or spit in your face. You're behaving like a spoiled child. Do you really think you are the only one here who has had a relationship end badly?
You have made it very plain that your idea of friendship is using your existing friends as weapons to hurt a third party. Because someone hurt you you insist that eveyone else who knows you sever all contact with this person. That is not friendship. Trying to use your friends that way is childish, wrong, and frankly a little twisted.
As for your friend TB10, don't lecture me "on having someone's back" I've been in situations a bit more intense than online chat rooms, and never let anyone down.
Just let it go, you're embarrisng yourself
Well I'm burying the hatchet..IT might still be in my back, but oh well..I'm done..Thanks once again to all of my friends.
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And Jasmine ThckBlk10 is a true friend..A real friend that I've know most of my life..We grew up together..I know he wouldn't do anything to hurt you..
Jasmine, I wouldn't have believed it.
I don't understand what it is that you wouldn't have believed. Is it that I asked this question? "If I understand this, you guys are telling me that if I told Wolvie that ThckBlk10 hurt me, that Wolvie would sever ties with ThckBlk10? Is that right?"
Your response: And Jasmine ThckBlk10 is a true friend..A real friend that I've know most of my life..We grew up together..I know he wouldn't do anything to hurt you.
If I read this correctly, you have a "real" friend as opposed to what an online friend? Are you saying that you would not support me? You wouldn't sever ties with him. I would hope not. I asked the question to get you to think about what you are doing in personal terms. What you would do if faced with the same situation...Just think about it.
We all can be friends without having to agree all the time. You aren't too willing to say that you would give up your "real" friend if he hurt someone. Think about that Wolvie.
No one here wants to hurt you.
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Jasmine..Your quite the lady..I'd never do anything to hut you..What I was referring to is I wouldn't have believed that you wouldn't back me, but Hey, everythings fine..Wolverinefan is just not walking around with blinders on anymore..Since I'm EMBARRASING myself as Tom so firmly stated..I'm going to be the bigger man and swallow my pride once again, and go on..But I'm not the man that I was..I have seen both the good and bad sides to these sites now. Eveyone else having "Fun" at someones expense, and I'm called twisted..
I'm getting started again and I don't want to do it..So I'll say sorry to everyone I've inconvienced in any way..
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Give yourself time Wolvie. Forgive and move on, let it go. Feeling like this is not good for you or anyone else. I know that you are a terrific wonderful person that can offer the right woman everything she ever wanted.
Best to concentrate on your search for Mrs. Right. You are smarter about the ways of the 'net now, and more prepared. So go get 'em tiger!